Prose from a Poshboy

[stato_1]

Looks like a fold to me, unless any extra reads are being omitted. A 4x raise from an unknown is a lot stronger range, than a 2.5x in my experience.

he raised the previous hand utg+1 to 2.5x i think. the larger raise size by this type of player usually indicates a slightly weaker range, more like JJ,TT, 99, 88, AK, AQ, AJ, ATss. To me it looked like he was happy to take the pot down because "he hates jacks" or he always loses with AK blah blah

James can you post and explain why it's a shove please.

When a player varies their open sizes, the size often goes up with a stronger hand..... sometimes with the exception of Aces, and maybe kings.
They probably do this cos they are a bit scared of playing post flop, and are happy to take the pot down PF.

It depends on the player, but your range seems a bit wide for that type of player, and I would be lopping a few hands off the bottom end.
They are also usually much happier calling a shove from an aggro player PF, than playing post flop, when the flop doesn't hit them in the face.

Very much dependent on the reads you've got, but shoving KQs in this spot sounds about breakeven at best.
Don't think it's ever a big mistake though.

yeh +1 tbh! that why i wasnt sure, i knew it could never be terrible and was marginal either way. breakeven shove = shove imo when theres some ultra soft 1/2 games on :p

Sure will be buying next month

[boldie]

Looks like a fold to me, unless any extra reads are being omitted. A 4x raise from an unknown is a lot stronger range, than a 2.5x in my experience.

he raised the previous hand utg+1 to 2.5x i think. the larger raise size by this type of player usually indicates a slightly weaker range, more like JJ,TT, 99, 88, AK, AQ, AJ, ATss. To me it looked like he was happy to take the pot down because "he hates jacks" or he always loses with AK blah blah

James can you post and explain why it's a shove please.

When a player varies their open sizes, the size often goes up with a stronger hand..... sometimes with the exception of Aces, and maybe kings.
They probably do this cos they are a bit scared of playing post flop, and are happy to take the pot down PF.

It depends on the player, but your range seems a bit wide for that type of player, and I would be lopping a few hands off the bottom end.
They are also usually much happier calling a shove from an aggro player PF, than playing post flop, when the flop doesn't hit them in the face.

Very much dependent on the reads you've got, but shoving KQs in this spot sounds about breakeven at best.
Don't think it's ever a big mistake though.

yeh +1 tbh! that why i wasnt sure, i knew it could never be terrible and was marginal either way. breakeven shove = shove imo when theres some ultra soft 1/2 games on :p

lol, just because it's not a big mistake doesn't mean it's a good shove mate and Shove because there are cash games on...erm, no

[cambridgealex]

you can all go diagf imo

[cambridgealex]

Looks like a fold to me, unless any extra reads are being omitted. A 4x raise from an unknown is a lot stronger range, than a 2.5x in my experience.

he raised the previous hand utg+1 to 2.5x i think. the larger raise size by this type of player usually indicates a slightly weaker range, more like JJ,TT, 99, 88, AK, AQ, AJ, ATss. To me it looked like he was happy to take the pot down because "he hates jacks" or he always loses with AK blah blah

James can you post and explain why it's a shove please.

When a player varies their open sizes, the size often goes up with a stronger hand..... sometimes with the exception of Aces, and maybe kings.
They probably do this cos they are a bit scared of playing post flop, and are happy to take the pot down PF.

It depends on the player, but your range seems a bit wide for that type of player, and I would be lopping a few hands off the bottom end.
They are also usually much happier calling a shove from an aggro player PF, than playing post flop, when the flop doesn't hit them in the face.

Very much dependent on the reads you've got, but shoving KQs in this spot sounds about breakeven at best.
Don't think it's ever a big mistake though.

yeh +1 tbh! that why i wasnt sure, i knew it could never be terrible and was marginal either way. breakeven shove = shove imo when theres some ultra soft 1/2 games on :p

lol, just because it's not a big mistake doesn't mean it's a good shove mate and Shove because there are cash games on...erm, no

i realise. ive never said i am sure either way! i thought it was right at the time and not just breakeven or "not terrible". now we are all discussing it and improving our poker brains.

fwiw the cash game line was mostly a joke. but in all seriousness, if something is completely EV neutral in a tourni (not saying this is, just generally), and there are other factors involved such as massive fish playing cash, then if we are thinking about £/hr then these things can make a difference imo. feel free to flame.

[boldie]

fwiw the cash game line was mostly a joke. but in all seriousness, if something is completely EV neutral in a tourni (not saying this is, just generally), and there are other factors involved such as massive fish playing cash, then if we are thinking about £/hr then these things can make a difference imo. feel free to flame.

agree in a tenner rebuy, not in a 300 tourney. (Especially not when staked IMO)

[cambridgealex]

fwiw the cash game line was mostly a joke. but in all seriousness, if something is completely EV neutral in a tourni (not saying this is, just generally), and there are other factors involved such as massive fish playing cash, then if we are thinking about £/hr then these things can make a difference imo. feel free to flame.

agree in a tenner rebuy, not in a 300 tourney. (Especially not when staked IMO)

agree about the staking point. as i said, that didnt influence my decision was just a joke.

[Cf]

fwiw the cash game line was mostly a joke. but in all seriousness, if something is completely EV neutral in a tourni (not saying this is, just generally), and there are other factors involved such as massive fish playing cash, then if we are thinking about £/hr then these things can make a difference imo. feel free to flame.

agree in a tenner rebuy, not in a 300 tourney. (Especially not when staked IMO)

Yeah. I would certainly not get staked into a tournament then openly state that your decision making was influenced by wanting to play a different game. Even when you say it was mostly a joke. It implies it's the sort of thing that crossed your mind. Not what stakers want to be hearing. You should be focusing 100% on the game they've staked you to play.

[jakally]

Leave the boy alone... it was obv a joke.
There are not many people who play poker who focus as much as Alex when he's at the table.

[boldie]

fwiw the cash game line was mostly a joke. but in all seriousness, if something is completely EV neutral in a tourni (not saying this is, just generally), and there are other factors involved such as massive fish playing cash, then if we are thinking about £/hr then these things can make a difference imo. feel free to flame.

agree in a tenner rebuy, not in a 300 tourney. (Especially not when staked IMO)

agree about the staking point. as i said, that didnt influence my decision was just a joke.

No worries mate, as I said...didn't mean to piss you off here.

[cambridgealex]

Leave the boy alone... it was obv a joke.
There are not many people who play poker who focus as much as Alex when he's at the table.

I love you Neil!

[skolsuper]

Think I already pretty much gave an explanation (cliffs: soooted), but if that isn't enough think properly about what people's calling ranges are (easy to pinpoint pretty accurately imo), then what their opening+flatting ranges would have to be in order to make this not a ridiculously profitable shove. I would tank it with much worse hands than KQs.

Do agree with nirvana tho that people usually have stronger ranges when they open bigger (with the possible exception of AA).

PS. yeah punt your backers' money, I do it all the time.

[cambridgealex]

Think I already pretty much gave an explanation (cliffs: soooted), but if that isn't enough think properly about what people's calling ranges are (easy to pinpoint pretty accurately imo), then what their opening+flatting ranges would have to be in order to make this not a ridiculously profitable shove. I would tank it with much worse hands than KQs.

Do agree with nirvana tho that people usually have stronger ranges when they open bigger (with the possible exception of AA).

PS. yeah punt your backers' money, I do it all the time.

mbn to have a license now to do whatever the fuck you please with backers' money :p

[titaniumbean]

The 300 is so soft I'd just pass it up without a better read.

[GreekStein]

CambridgeAlex = Jakally's secret lovechild?

[celtic]

Think I already pretty much gave an explanation (cliffs: soooted), but if that isn't enough think properly about what people's calling ranges are (easy to pinpoint pretty accurately imo), then what their opening+flatting ranges would have to be in order to make this not a ridiculously profitable shove. I would tank it with much worse hands than KQs.

Do agree with nirvana tho that people usually have stronger ranges when they open bigger (with the possible exception of AA).
PS. yeah punt your backers' money, I do it all the time.

I had to search for the Nirvana post as I didn't believe you would agree with anything he posted about a hand. Then I realised it was Jackally. Knew it could never been Nirvana.