Prose from a Poshboy

[cambridgealex]

Jason there is a massive difference between 50/1 and 1/2. Even if it was "only twice as big" you still need double the bankroll to play. 

[millidonk]

Richard what do you mean "you should be rolled to chase your own money"? If you aren't rolled to play 1 2 then that's what I meant by "can't afford it" so to all intents and purposes, the money has been taken out of play.

Learn something new everyday! I actually didn't realise the saying was 'intents and purposes'... not gonna embarrass myself saying what i thought it was. wp!

Ps. stay at the table til you have the world or bust. simples

[cambridgealex]

I agree honey badger, ppl know ill be back the next day with several bullets so not like the money is locked away. I give good action all the time. I guess I hadn't thought about the responsibility and community side of things.

[dik9]

Maybe it's worded wrong.
But your money is still in play even if it is at a higher stake. You can either swallow your loss or have a pop at the player who's just took your money up a stake. At least the shot is there and the money is still at "a" table rather than in the pocket of someone. It may mean playing outside your comfort zone, but if you feel strongly enough the money is there. Someone spinning up stakes is different to a hit and runner, just means he will do it back twice as quick lol. Thing is if you chase and get it back it would be bad etiquette to leave after mission accomplished lol so you might end up doing more

At the end of the day, all I am saying is the money is still in circulation rather than out of the door.

Honeybadger speaks sense btw, don't know who you are but I like your thinking.

[smashedagain]

Jason there is a massive difference between 50/1 and 1/2. Even if it was "only twice as big" you still need double the bankroll to play. 

you do what you wanna do its your right...but what happened to your roll when you dropped down. you had not spunked 50% of it. you need good money management and game selection. some days it may be better for you to sit in the 1/2 because of a higher %age of fish and easier money than to sit in your reg 50/1 game . i prefer dc to texas but will play texas if the game has enough aggressive gamblers because that suits my style

[CHIPPYMAN]

GROW UP ALL OF U......

IF U WANNA HITNRUN, THATS UR PROBLEMS.

DO WHATEVA U WANTED....

DONT GIVE A FUCK WAT OTHERS SAY....

BOO BOO BOO ( I DONT DO DAT THO )

 

[cambridgealex]

Much love Frankie

[Whollyflush]

However I can see others point of view if Alex has stepped down even if it is to piss about. This is why online>live. U can do wtf you want.

This is not actually true. As soon as you get above 400NL, the regs have to work hard to help start and sustain games. They have to be prepared to play with each other for a while in order to keep tables running. This is especially the case at the higher levels, $25/$50 and above. If it were not for a group of regs prepared to sit and play with each other (and not sit out as soon as the one fish has busted) then there would simply not be any tables running at all. And thus there would be no high stakes tables for the recreational players to sit at. Fish do not tend to start tables themselves.

This was one of the problems that people had with leatherass back in the day. People complained that he was a big winner in the games but he was not doing his bit to help nurture the games. He'd rarely start tables, he'd buy in for exactly the amount the fish had in front of him, he'd leave as soon as the fish left etc. Now on the one hand someone could say "Hey man, game selection is important. Why should I sit with two other regs and play short-handed now the fish has left, I'll wait till another fish sits." On the other hand, if every reg followed this philosophy then there would be no games running when the fish logs on to play, so he'd simply leave.

Even at smaller stakes this sort of thing is important. I am continually surprised by the fact that so many regulars sit out as soon as the fish sits out. It's embarrassing really. But the thing is... after 5 mins the fish comes back from the toilet or wherever, and sees everyone sitting out so he just leaves. Or if he sits in, and then sees 5 regs snap sit back in themselves... well it looks pretty bad doesn't it? Even at small stakes the online games are getting tougher and tougher all the time. Every reg needs to take a responsibility for nurturing the games, and not tapping the glass.

this is very good and has been a bone of contention in midstakes online games for around 18 months now. The irony being starting games is often the best method of table selection as fish like to join 3/4 handed.

[kinboshi]

Much love Frankie

+1

[cambridgealex]

Coincidentally, just opened a capped 1 2 game now :p

[redarmi]

TBH I don't really get what all the fuss is.The whole idea of giving someone the chance to win their moneyback is all very short term.  One session is one session and variance will rule.  In the long run none of the fish get a chance to get their moneyback off the pro's because it goes on their living costs.  Hitting and running is, I can see, a bit annoying but there are as many punters that hit and crash!!!!   

[titaniumbean]

Much love Frankie

+1

appreciated

[Honeybadger]

Honeybadger speaks sense btw, don't know who you are but I like your thinking.

Nice compliment ty

I agree honey badger, ppl know ill be back the next day with several bullets so not like the money is locked away. I give good action all the time. I guess I hadn't thought about the responsibility and community side of things.

Alex, FWIW you seem like a really nice guy. And you are appear to be approaching poker with a good, positive attitude. This thread is well-written and really interesting. It is impressive that you are bringing such commitment, enthusiasm and desire to learn with you as you are starting down this road.

[SuuPRlim]

The point of this whole discussion is not what you're "allowed to do"  you're allowed to do anything you like, but the what the best social and commercial decision for Alex for Alex would have been, and that was basically what Mitch was getting at - don't do stuff that will a)piss the customers off, or b)upset the other regs, you wanna live in a world where the fish give you tons of action cos you give them action and they don't mind loosing money to you cos they know they're always gonna have a shot at getting it back, and where the regs all respect you professonially because they know you'll show the same respect back. These are just things that happen in live poker - in the games i grew up playing in leeds if you left with a big win too soon a couple of times, started cheering when you won, moaning when you lost etc then you weren't invited to play again, just those silly unwritten rules that you really have to stick to imo.

[cambridgealex]

Interesting discussion. I think what Lildave says about making sensible social and commercial decisions is very smart and something I need to think about more. I've heard of a book called "Treat your poker like a business"  or something like that, which I should probably read.

Had a really good capped 1/2 game today Everyone was sat with 200-500 pretty much and it was perfect for me and attracted just the right level of players as well. There was another 1/2 which was uncapped, that had Mitch, Jakally, Pete Linton, Ben Vinson and Julian Thew with one fish (Sean King played for a bit too, not gonna specify under which category he falls :p) - didn't want to play in that game at all, it was great to have a choice. These capped games need to run more frequently imo. And cap it at 400 not 300 ideally

The month is finishing off nicely.