Prose from a Poshboy

[dik9]

Sorry, just reread Alex's post and it seems he didn't hit and run (as the details of the 2am exit are not really given) ..... my apologies lol

[smashedagain]

I do make a distinction between hit/running and what Alex is doing.

how many times have you ever been up from a game and gone and sat at a smaller game... bet it rhymes with BUN. thats what puts you in a very small group of players including julian and liam. x

Julian left the 1/2 table on that same night to play on another one that was 'less tough'.  I have no idea if he was up or down (he had a decent stack in front of him), but the table he left was a tough one (except for the fish in seat 3 ) and why sit there for x number of hours struggling when there's a another table available to play on that looks a lot softer?

Alex didn't hit and run.  Neither did Julian.  I don't see a difference in what they did, and neither did anything 'wrong'.

i was with julian that night. he came to our plo table when  most of the dc reg  ran to the dc table as it opened. richard had done his conkers but he has a bigger tree than most and chinese frankie was the main benefactor.  julian was in a three way pot all the dough went in on the flop.  young norwegian lad won. julian tapped the table and wished everyone good luck and to have a good night

[kinboshi]

I do make a distinction between hit/running and what Alex is doing.

how many times have you ever been up from a game and gone and sat at a smaller game... bet it rhymes with BUN. thats what puts you in a very small group of players including julian and liam. x

Julian left the 1/2 table on that same night to play on another one that was 'less tough'.  I have no idea if he was up or down (he had a decent stack in front of him), but the table he left was a tough one (except for the fish in seat 3 ) and why sit there for x number of hours struggling when there's a another table available to play on that looks a lot softer?

Alex didn't hit and run.  Neither did Julian.  I don't see a difference in what they did, and neither did anything 'wrong'.

i was with julian that night. he came to our plo table when  most of the dc reg  ran to the dc table as it opened. richard had done his conkers but he has a bigger tree than most and chinese frankie was the main benefactor.  julian was in a three way pot all the dough went in on the flop.  young norwegian lad won. julian tapped the table and wished everyone good luck and to have a good night

The night I'm talking about he moved from a 1/2 holdem game to another 1/2 holdem game.  It's not the same night we're talking about Alex leaving the table 'early'.

[cambridgealex]

I agree that moving to a 50/1 is bad form. As I said, it was just because I had friends on the table that don't come very often so I wanted to see them. But I can imagine this happening in the future, the 50/1 tables are quite fun and I don't want in the future to feel bad for wanting to sit and play in those games.

I see what everyone is saying about making sure the games keep running. I often get games started in fact, and I am much less likely to leave again if I think in doing so it'll break. However the game didn't break and carried on well past 2am. At the end of the day, poker is not a team sport and everyone is out for themselves really, earning their own crust. So I'm not going to stay in games that are too deep and I feel my edge is gone because I'm not comfortable yet with that. If I don't have an edge in the game, I'm not going to play in it, end of story imo. If I'm playing bad/tilted no-one would blame me for not playing in a game. Likewise if I'm playing with a bunch of sickos, I don't think I'd be blamed for not sitting in it.

Like I said, the guy whose money I had won had left, and I didn't feel I was up/down significant amounts from anybody left at the table  and no-one would feel in anyway hard done by or hitnran if I left then. I just got stick because from people sat at the other 1/2 game, it looked bad.

[smashedagain]

I do make a distinction between hit/running and what Alex is doing.

how many times have you ever been up from a game and gone and sat at a smaller game... bet it rhymes with BUN. thats what puts you in a very small group of players including julian and liam. x

Julian left the 1/2 table on that same night to play on another one that was 'less tough'.  I have no idea if he was up or down (he had a decent stack in front of him), but the table he left was a tough one (except for the fish in seat 3 ) and why sit there for x number of hours struggling when there's a another table available to play on that looks a lot softer?

Alex didn't hit and run.  Neither did Julian.  I don't see a difference in what they did, and neither did anything 'wrong'.

i was with julian that night. he came to our plo table when  most of the dc reg  ran to the dc table as it opened. richard had done his conkers but he has a bigger tree than most and chinese frankie was the main benefactor.  julian was in a three way pot all the dough went in on the flop.  young norwegian lad won. julian tapped the table and wished everyone good luck and to have a good night

The night I'm talking about he moved from a 1/2 holdem game to another 1/2 holdem game.  It's not the same night we're talking about Alex leaving the table 'early'.

ok. this will have been sat prob coz frankie was playing

[dik9]

So I'm not going to stay in games that are too deep and I feel my edge is gone because I'm not comfortable yet with that. If I don't have an edge in the game, I'm not going to play in it, end of story imo. If I'm playing bad/tilted no-one would blame me for not playing in a game. Likewise if I'm playing with a bunch of sickos, I don't think I'd be blamed for not sitting in it.

In essence you need to stick to capped games then, as those 1/2's regularly play like 2/5's even 5/10's sometimes.

[cambridgealex]

Also I think it's just as bad to stack someone at 50/1, then snapmove to a 1/2 as soon as it opens, as the ppl on the 50/1 can't win it bk if they can't afford to play 1 2. Its the same rele though no1 says nething when u do that.

[kinboshi]

So I'm not going to stay in games that are too deep and I feel my edge is gone because I'm not comfortable yet with that. If I don't have an edge in the game, I'm not going to play in it, end of story imo. If I'm playing bad/tilted no-one would blame me for not playing in a game. Likewise if I'm playing with a bunch of sickos, I don't think I'd be blamed for not sitting in it.

In essence you need to stick to capped games then, as those 1/2's regularly play like 2/5's even 5/10's sometimes.

I prefer these too, as they suit my bankroll better and the tables are often a lot softer.  But sometimes there's not enough choice, and it's a case of playing an uncapped 1/2 or not playing.  This isn't a criticism, as I love the place.

When I was there a few weeks back a table started as a .50/1 earlier on, but most on the table wanted to play 1/2 - and a quick word from Mark with everyone on the table we all agreed that it could become a 1/2 table.  However, it became an uncapped 1/2 table - there was no discussion on capping it.  It didn't particularly bother me, and I'm pretty vocal and will speak up if I want something () - but some players often feel intimidated to ask for things like this - or think that they will appear 'weak' asking for the buy-in to be capped, or even to speak out and say that they want it to stay as a .50/1 table.

More 1/2 capped tables for me please, although I know others don't like them and feel they restrict the amount they can win from fish like me.

[cambridgealex]

I know, I'd defo play in capped games but they just don't run very often. I can't remember the last time I saw one. And when I have played in them, someone like Mitch always comes over and says "neone mind if we make this uncapped? Go on" etc and the ppl get bullyed into changing it.

[kinboshi]

Also I think it's just as bad to stack someone at 50/1, then snapmove to a 1/2 as soon as it opens, as the ppl on the 50/1 can't win it bk if they can't afford to play 1 2. Its the same rele though no1 says nething when u do that.

I said the same earlier.

I think it's a massive jump from .50/1 to 1/2 - which is why the capped 1/2 games were introduced.  However, they don't seem to run as much (maybe there isn't the demand?).  I think this has been mentioned before, but a .50/1 with a 200xBB buy-in might be another option as a half-way house between the two?

[dik9]

Totally agree Kin, I will suggest it to them (they may not listen lol )

Alex, moving up a stake isn't as bad as you will still have the money in play, you should be rolled to chase your own money if you think you can get it back imo.

Moving down a stake takes the money out of play completely so you dont even get that option.

[smashedagain]

Totally agree Kin, I will suggest it to them (they may not listen lol )

Alex, moving up a stake isn't as bad as you will still have the money in play, you should be rolled to chase your own money if you think you can get it back imo.

Moving down a stake takes the money out of play completely so you dont even get that option.

i  agree with this. surely you dont just take one buy in to play cash with...1/2 is only twice as big as the .50/1 and if some one moves up to 1/2 with your buy in its only 2 more buy ins to go chase him down.

[Honeybadger]

IMO the reason the capped 1/2 games at DTD did not work well is because they had a £200 cap. Having a £400 cap would work much better I think. It would still allow the weaker player to fell a little less insecure, but would still give enough 'play' to the game for those wishing to buy in for 200bbs.

[cambridgealex]

Richard what do you mean "you should be rolled to chase your own money"? If you aren't rolled to play 1 2 then that's what I meant by "can't afford it" so to all intents and purposes, the money has been taken out of play.

[Honeybadger]

And also... the "not being able to win my money back if someone hit and runs" line of thought is pretty irrelevant. That's the way the numpties think. Arguments based on the long-term health of the game, and also possibly on your 'reputation' as a gambler,  are much more important.