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cambridgealex
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Re: Prose from a Poshboy
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March 28, 2012, 05:53:07 PM »
Quote from: GreekStein on March 28, 2012, 05:30:43 PM
Quote from: cambridgealex on March 28, 2012, 05:27:41 PM
he's shoving all Jx
really?
Even if he's not we're 46% vs his range and we're getting 2:1. (we bet 4k into 11.6 and he's shoved for 25, so it's 21 more to win 25+11.6+4 = 40.6)
Board:
Dead:
equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 45.938% 45.84% 00.10% 27682 60.00 { AcJs }
Hand 1: 54.062% 53.96% 00.10% 32588 60.00 { 44, AsTs, As9s, As8s, As7s, As6s, As5s, As4s, As3s, As2s, KQs, KTs, Ks9s, QTs+, T9s, Ts8s, Ts7s, 9s8s, 9s7s, 8s7s, 8s6s, 7s6s, 6s5s, KQo, KTo, QJo }
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Re: Prose from a Poshboy
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March 28, 2012, 07:40:03 PM »
Quote from: cambridgealex on March 28, 2012, 05:53:07 PM
Quote from: GreekStein on March 28, 2012, 05:30:43 PM
Quote from: cambridgealex on March 28, 2012, 05:27:41 PM
he's shoving all Jx
really?
Even if he's not we're 46% vs his range and we're getting 2:1. (we bet 4k into 11.6 and he's shoved for 25, so it's 21 more to win 25+11.6+4 = 40.6)
Board:
Dead:
equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 45.938% 45.84% 00.10% 27682 60.00 { AcJs }
Hand 1: 54.062% 53.96% 00.10% 32588 60.00 { 44, AsTs, As9s, As8s, As7s, As6s, As5s, As4s, As3s, As2s, KQs, KTs, Ks9s, QTs+, T9s, Ts8s, Ts7s, 9s8s, 9s7s, 8s7s, 8s6s, 7s6s, 6s5s, KQo, KTo, QJo }
Sighhhh. Bad call btw!!!
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Re: Prose from a Poshboy
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March 28, 2012, 08:16:31 PM »
Shut it chippyman, it definitely isn't a bad call!
I've desteamed this afternoon and written a TR, a bit more detailed that usual, going through my thoughts in the hands. Enjoy.
First hand of note I played was of course with Aces - a guy in a blue barcalona jacket opens to 250 @ 50/100 from early position. I 3bet to 650 and he calls. Flop is
. He checks and I decided to check back. The turn is a
, he checks and I bet 800 (we have
), he calls. The river is the nut worst card, both for his range and my perceived range, the
. He checks. It's pretty close to a check behind - there isn't much worse calling and its really gross if he check raises and I'd probably have to fold. I decided it was just worth betting, AQ and KT may call, maybe even AK. He folded pretty quickly.
Feeling in the zone and comfortable I made a fairly loose open with
from early position. Lots of callers and we went 5 ways to the flop, which was a lovely
. I cbet about 650 and a young guy who'd peeled from mp raised to 1700. He's not repping much except 99 and 4x, both very few combos, more likely he's just spazzing as these Internet kids seem to like to do pre antes for some reason. Calling seemed far superior to raising again so that's what I did. The turn was the
I checked and he checked behind which was odd, I expected him to bet almost everytime, given his range of 99, 4x and bluffs. If he was bluffing, surely he had more than one barrel in the clip?! My range when I open in ep and cbet into 4 players is pretty strong, surely when he decided to raise the flop, he wouldn't just give up after I call once? He definitely wasn't the type to raise with 88 or TT to find out where he was, so I concluded that he'd probably been bluffing the flop with something like
for two overs and backdoors, and then turned a queen. So when the river bricked off, I fired 3300 expecting him to probably sigh call which he did.
The standard of the table was alright, nothing special, but no-one was gonna give their chips away really easily. Then someone got moved to our table in a pokerstars hoodie that said TCOOP 6max winner or something. Hmmm this looks like value! First hand he opens to 325 at 50/100 which is a bit of a fishy size. Clue #2. He also threw them in a classic fishy style. Clue #3. Then I looked down at two black aces! What a life! He's defo not folding! I made it 900 (could've gone a tad more probably) and he snap called. The flop came a beautiful 222 he checked and I cbet 1100. He snap makes it 3800! What is going on! Call?! Turn is a Q and he bets 7000. I call again. River is a 9 and he bets 12000 with about 7 back. I have to shove here I think, which I did, not expecting him to fold. He tanked for ages and folded! Level one of a 5k EPT and this is going on?!
5 mins later he gets moved from the table sigh!
Part two to follow...
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Re: Prose from a Poshboy
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March 28, 2012, 08:24:05 PM »
I get another premium soon after in the shape of two kings, and 3bet barca jackets' open. The button cold calls, as do the blinds and the opener. Hmmm. The flop came
, which worried me a bit, the guys that cold called seems pretty switched on, could easily have QQ or JJ. Also I don't think I can get three streets out of AQ even, so i decided to pot control/slowplay and check. The button bet 3/4 pot. Everyone folded and I called. The turn was
, i check called a 1/2 pot bet. I'm fairly sure he has AQ, KQ, QQ or JJ. When the river comes a 5, perhaps I should've donk bet/fold to get value from AQ and KQ that may check behind. I can happily fold if raised, he's never going to bluff raise/turn AQ into a bluff in that spot. Instead I just checked and he snap checked behind with AQ. Oh well. More progress.
Next hand of note, I flat a cutoff open with TT on the button, and the blinds come along too.
is checked to me, I bet 1/2 pot 1100 and the big blind calls. The turn is the
, he checks, I can still bet my hand for value and do so, 2300, which gets called. Before the river was dealt I was thinking about which cards I could/couldn't value bet, but I had that decision taken away from me when the river came the
and he donkbet for 2900. Hmmm, odd size to bluff, but he can't really have much, too many draws missed and small pairs counterfeited etc, and the price is too good, I call and he mucks, I get to muck behind, which is quite a nice change from the DTD rule where you have to table the winning hand.
Next, I open 55 utg and get callers from utg1 and the bb. We'll call bb White shirt man as he comes up again. So 3ways to
and we all check. Turn
- bink! White shirt man bets 1100 and I raise to 2800. He calls. The one card I don't wanna see is a diamond, because my range when I check back the flop and raise the turn, is 65, 55 or semibluffing diamonds or maybe 78. Not that I necessarily would raise the turn as a semi bluff there, I just thought he might think I would. Also, he can have diamonds himself! The river is pretty much the nut worst card,
. He checks and again, he shouldn't really ever pay me off with worse (a bit like the AA hand right at the start) but I can't very well check a set behind can I?! I bet 4100, hoping he'd make a bad call and was pleased when he did the "sigh/lean-back-in-the-chair/I'm not raising you" dance routine. He did call in the end and I made further progress.
In two consecutive orbits, mr White shirt man opened the button from a 28-32bb stack and I 3b the sb, first with
(for the boys) and next with
, knowing it was putting him to a push/fold decision for his tournament life, he folded both times. And then he found KK and I found
and the board runs out
and that was all she wrote for the poor chap. After the flop, in my head I was cheering for a diamond, rather than an ace which would've had him dead to one out lol, it's more fun that way! I broke a smile as the turn card gave me the world and did the patented Mitch "I got there" grimace as the river came down. Run good much?
That took us to 100k and we bagged up, I was chuffed with the days work, buzzing for the next...
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Re: Prose from a Poshboy
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March 28, 2012, 09:03:08 PM »
25bigs standard? Seems like alot of chips in this comp and close to if not average? Not a rubdown btw, enjoyed day 1 report.
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Re: Prose from a Poshboy
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March 28, 2012, 09:23:49 PM »
Not giving u rub down Alex .
Just joking . Ul but wp .
Mayb this is not ur time yet, they to good this Italian , lol
C ya soon,
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Re: Prose from a Poshboy
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March 28, 2012, 09:25:38 PM »
Quote from: cambridgealex on March 28, 2012, 05:53:07 PM
Quote from: GreekStein on March 28, 2012, 05:30:43 PM
Quote from: cambridgealex on March 28, 2012, 05:27:41 PM
he's shoving all Jx
really?
Even if he's not we're 46% vs his range and we're getting 2:1. (we bet 4k into 11.6 and he's shoved for 25, so it's 21 more to win 25+11.6+4 = 40.6)
Board:
Dead:
equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 45.938% 45.84% 00.10% 27682 60.00 { AcJs }
Hand 1: 54.062% 53.96% 00.10% 32588 60.00 { 44, AsTs, As9s, As8s, As7s, As6s, As5s, As4s, As3s, As2s, KQs, KTs, Ks9s, QTs+, T9s, Ts8s, Ts7s, 9s8s, 9s7s, 8s7s, 8s6s, 7s6s, 6s5s, KQo, KTo, QJo }
never commented on whether the call was good or bad etc, just maybe thought you overestimated the hands that a fish would put it all in with in a 5k bi. Maybe I'm wrong ofc.
Oh and ul. Really wanted to see a winner's trophy with Alexandrea on it.
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Re: Prose from a Poshboy
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March 28, 2012, 09:29:46 PM »
Well for sure the range you have gave him is slightly wrong, it might be a correct range to assign him for when he continues in the hand, but to assume he shoves all his draws has to be wrong- I mean he aint DEFO shoving Tc9c or KTos or 76ss and he is much more likely to shove Qx hands- so when he does shove you have to skew the numbers slightly
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Re: Prose from a Poshboy
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March 28, 2012, 09:36:33 PM »
And when you put ranges in, it assumes the player is just as likely to shove KQ on this board as Tc9c when he holds these hands. Hence why range calculators can be manipulated to make incorrect plays appear correct on paper. Not saying this was a bad call btw, but its closer than you calculated
Didnt want that to sound bad after u busted ur biggest comp, cos just nitpicking anyway- enjoy the evening
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Re: Prose from a Poshboy
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March 28, 2012, 10:18:00 PM »
Quote from: GreekStein on March 28, 2012, 09:25:38 PM
Quote from: cambridgealex on March 28, 2012, 05:53:07 PM
Quote from: GreekStein on March 28, 2012, 05:30:43 PM
Quote from: cambridgealex on March 28, 2012, 05:27:41 PM
he's shoving all Jx
really?
Even if he's not we're 46% vs his range and we're getting 2:1. (we bet 4k into 11.6 and he's shoved for 25, so it's 21 more to win 25+11.6+4 = 40.6)
Board:
Dead:
equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 45.938% 45.84% 00.10% 27682 60.00 { AcJs }
Hand 1: 54.062% 53.96% 00.10% 32588 60.00 { 44, AsTs, As9s, As8s, As7s, As6s, As5s, As4s, As3s, As2s, KQs, KTs, Ks9s, QTs+, T9s, Ts8s, Ts7s, 9s8s, 9s7s, 8s7s, 8s6s, 7s6s, 6s5s, KQo, KTo, QJo }
never commented on whether the call was good or bad etc, just maybe thought you overestimated the hands that a fish would put it all in with in a 5k bi. Maybe I'm wrong ofc.
Oh and ul. Really wanted to see a winner's trophy with Alexandrea on it.
dont worry alex, cos is just jealous u r better than him.
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Re: Prose from a Poshboy
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great run mate enjoy your time out there. Pics of campione look incred
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March 28, 2012, 11:36:53 PM »
Yeh I agree Dubai, although in this spot, I'm pretty sure he's shoving every flush draw with his stack size and the way he plays. Would you call? I didn't think it was thaaat close, I called fairly quickly and was happy it was the right thing to do.
@pleno - I had 30k at 12/24 and the average was 80k. We'd shove 19 bigs bvb with AT and it'd be fine, so 25 over an open seems fine. What else are we gonna do? We can't fold when he's been opening J8ss from MP.
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Re: Prose from a Poshboy
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March 28, 2012, 11:38:47 PM »
Ul Alex.....vwp, similar run and timing of exit to my first EPT and I was gutted so know how you feel. It will come, no doubt (well come Fffs, you've already finalled two consecutive MCs lololol)
You coming to Dublin?
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March 29, 2012, 12:05:17 AM »
Day two was about as bad as day one was good. Although that's not really true, since I bust in day two, day one would have to have been infinitely good, which means I would've knocked everyone out and won the tournament, meaning day wouldn't have even taken place. Bit of a logical fallacy there.
Anyway, so we see the seat draw, and surrounding Alexandrea Goulder UK was a bunch of people with "Italia" next to their name. Where's that hallelujah gif gone?!
It was like nothing you could ever imagine in a 5k comp. You'd be surprised to see it in a £50 comp. If the room was playing fish bingo, I'd have won five times over.
We saw limp folding, limp calling, peeling raises out of 10bb stacks, peeling raises from the sb with Q2ss, T3ss. Donk betting, Min donkbetting, Betting 1/10 pot. Checking down the nut straight because the was 3 diamonds on the board. Betting 15k then folding for a 20k shove on the flop. We saw everything.
Sadly all of these guys out lasted me
I've wrote already about the hands I lost, AJ<QJ on QJx, AQ<AK then AT<KK.
Next EPT I'm going to try getting my money in ahead.
I played cash just now for a bit. The Italians always keep me on their feet, you gotta give em that. It's so hard to tell which way they're going to go also. Some are INSANE, some are INSANE NITS. One guy 3b/snapped called allin in for 500 euros in a 2/5 game with KT offsuit. Another guy limped for 10 on a straddle, then folded when someone made it 55. With AKo. FACEUP. Zomgggg!
Should probably stay and play all week but when I bust the comp I tilt-changed my flight to fly home tomorrow. I think it's +EV choice. I'm a) not playing great in the cash games atm, I'm pushing it too much, trying to gamble and play big pots when I should just be patient. I'm in the wrong frame of mind. b) I'm on my own, which is fairly bad for morale. c) everything is so expensive it's costing 50 euros a day just to feed myself the bare minimum! d) There's plenty of +EV stuff to do in England this week instead
On the plus side, I'm REALLY happy with my tournament game atm. I'm really enjoying them, I've got really into online comps recently and gonna play a bunch of those in the near future I reckon. I also had a blast playing the main event, and it's inspired me to try and play more of them, it was such good value, and I can hand-on-heart say that I thought I was the best player at both of the tables I was on. Granted, I ran pretty good with table draws, but still, it bodes well for the future. Plenty more chances to win 640,000 euros
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Re: Prose from a Poshboy
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March 29, 2012, 12:54:55 AM »
Good TR. Love the fact that the live game appears to be there to be exploited but as you have pointed out, players can play so differently so you have to be careful to notice it. Whereas online its a pretty standard automated game most people play, live the play can be much more diverse. Think that adds even more value because the better online players could struggle initially to come to terms with a much more alien format, so you can exploit everyone mostly, whereas online it is much tougher.
With your AJ hand, i like the pre flop play as i do like your bet out. The bet out i like because you find out where you are there and then in most cases, if you get a fold, lovely, if you get a call, you could still be ahead or he is on a draw, if he re raises all in he has a queen or a set and at worst a flush draw with one overcard or flush draw with a pair.
Wouldn't like a check call as much because you have to fold to a lot of the second barrells on the turn which is so much tougher to deal with.
Think you overlook that you only bet out 3.3 bbs and if he has 25 bbs stack he would like to peel to see the turn to see a lot of his draws come in and if it doesn't hope that you check to him so he has another go on the river. This further polarising the potential for him to have top pair on the flop or a set, when he re raises all in as he is looking himself to protect his made hand against your drawing possibilities.
Calling off 22bbs when you have yourself behind most of the time isn't ideal either, much rather be keeping those chips for more pushing and bullying rather than any speculative calls. Plus you mention the pot odds making your hand a call which i think it would be in a cash game, but with the element of survival in tourns you need as many chips in your armoury as possible.
Your other hand histories put me to shame on a lot of cases. I like the j2 and a3 re raises to a stack that would have to put his tourney life at risk to carry on playing as its a great case of playing the spot rather than the cards. I would probably get rid upon sight without properly thinking up a spot like that through, but i am going to give that play in particular more of a go to see what happens.
Best of luck with the grind when you get back and hopefully i will be up in Notts for the UKIPT, will you be playing?
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