Prose from a Poshboy

[Dubai]

I would never ever shove AT with 19bbs bvb for loads of reasons

[cambridgealex]

AT is a bad example since its strong enough to raise call vs most.

I meant hands like 44 and A7 that are too strong to fold, and too weak to raise,call.

[sm00035]

AT is a bad example since its strong enough to raise call vs most.

I meant hands like 44 and A7 that are too strong to fold, and too weak to raise,call.

Don't necessarily agree, just embrace the race!

[dreenie]

I would never ever shove AT with 19bbs bvb for loads of reasons

Would you shove J10 suited with the same stack size? - Just curious if u would standard raise, only  with decent hands or all types? - Would be good to learn something thanks 

[dreenie]

UL Alex, and wp on the run u had, sounded like u enjoyed it overall, can defo see more to come from you, gl in notts

[pleno1]

just dont jam anything with 19bbs its far too much.

We can make it 2.5x and just fold/call if they jam, people in live comps generally aren't going to be jamming too wide vs us and if we are playing vs somebody good and dont want to r/f or r/c then don't you think we are going to get exploited when we only ever jam marginal hands?

j10s is a clear r/f imo

[dreenie]

i thnk they are both the same from fundamentals pov, if anything we should shove wider online than live as we're not going to be exploited live whilst we can online.

I agree with this, question is what would be the worst Ur shoving with bvb or late position under 20 bigs? - Ty

[pleno1]

nothing, I wouldn't shove anything for 19 bbs.

[dreenie]

just dont jam anything with 19bbs its far too much.

We can make it 2.5x and just fold/call if they jam, people in live comps generally aren't going to be jamming too wide vs us and if we are playing vs somebody good and dont want to r/f or r/c then don't you think we are going to get exploited when we only ever jam marginal hands?

j10s is a clear r/f imo

Yeah I guessed that, I just wondered, would u only be shoving semi decent hands bvb or marginal ones too like the J10? - Let's say u would r/c A10 but would r/f J10s, would u be betting the same pattern is my question?

Sorry for the way I am asking this, I am a bit dim - Ty

[dreenie]

nothing, I wouldn't shove anything for 19 bbs.

OK, cool - I'm gonna shut up now - think I'm out of my depth, loooool - Just like hearing players thought process 's - Ty

[pleno1]

it folds round to us in sb,

I ask myself the following questions.

1) how likely is he to fold
2) how likely is he to peel
3) how likely is he to jam

If 1) = alot, then I will raise a huge range, like 75+%  I would be making it around 2.2x pre as I'm expecting him to jam/fold and not peel too much
If 2) = alot, then I will tighten my range up and fold hands like k4,k3,k2,q4,q3,56,67,j7 etc where I might be dominated and potentially be on the wrong side of a "cooler" when we both flop top pair . I would be makign it about 2.7x as my range will be stronger and I get value from his bad peels.
If 3) = alot, then I will open a tighter range and generally be raise/calling, although ofc I will have some bluffs in there too. I'll generally be making this 2x as I will be raise/calling and be trying to induce and look weak

[pleno1]

nothing, I wouldn't shove anything for 19 bbs.

OK, cool - I'm gonna shut up now - think I'm out of my depth, loooool - Just like hearing players thought process 's - Ty

plenty of people disagree with me btw, I'm just saying the method I have been doing since 2012.

[dreenie]

it folds round to us in sb,

I ask myself the following questions.

1) how likely is he to fold
2) how likely is he to peel
3) how likely is he to jam

If 1) = alot, then I will raise a huge range, like 75+%  I would be making it around 2.2x pre as I'm expecting him to jam/fold and not peel too much
If 2) = alot, then I will tighten my range up and fold hands like k4,k3,k2,q4,q3,56,67,j7 etc where I might be dominated and potentially be on the wrong side of a "cooler" when we both flop top pair . I would be makign it about 2.7x as my range will be stronger and I get value from his bad peels.
If 3) = alot, then I will open a tighter range and generally be raise/calling, although ofc I will have some bluffs in there too. I'll generally be making this 2x as I will be raise/calling and be trying to induce and look weak

Ty - Sounds pretty decent to me, I always seem to struggle when it comes to this sort of thing, I don't like reading a book full of numbers as it gives me a headache, but I like to browse the interweb to find what other players do in different situations with various hand ranges against stack sizes.

[smashedagain]

Dont ruin this most excellent diary with all this stuff please. take it over to pha so i can ignore it ty.

[CHIPPYMAN]

Dont ruin this most excellent diary with all this stuff please. take it over to pha so i can ignore it ty.

Agree. Take this topic somewhere else .
The debate r not allowed here .