Prose from a Poshboy

[david3103]

Is it OK to swap seats if you've been in Seat 1 or 8 and one of 3,4,5,6 opens up?

[cambridgealex]

Is it OK to swap seats if you've been in Seat 1 or 8 and one of 3,4,5,6 opens up?

I mean if you hate sitting in those seats and that's the only reason you're moving then fine.

[CHIPPYMAN]

Is it OK to swap seats if you've been in Seat 1 or 8 and one of 3,4,5,6 opens up?

What's wrong with seat 1 or 8 ? IS IT an excuse to change seats or done people says they can't see properly . All the person I knew at Dtd , Mitch is the only one that is not bother about position . World class

[Honeybadger]

Completely agree with you Alex regarding the ninja-seat changes. It looks really bad if someone makes a habit of changing seats to get position on the weakest players. Once in a while it is okay I suppose, provided it is done with a bit of class. Do it too often and/or do it too obviously and it is really bad. I tend not to ever do it myself... and if I ever want to move seats in a game it will be for other reasons such as seeing the telly or moving away from someone with body odour.

One thing I will mention is to do with sitting in/out of position relative to the other strong players in a game. If a good player joins my table and deliberately chooses to sit on my right then I consider that slightly offensive and taking the piss a little. The seat on my right is my prime real estate - the person who sits there is the one I will be winning the most money from. A good player sitting there is basically saying "Hah! I do not fear you, you are a pussy. I don't care that you have direct position on me because I don't think you will do anything to exploit this. So I will sit on your right and get the loose money before you can." Money flows clockwise round a poker table, and if a good player sits on my direct right he is going to act as a dam, preventing my share flowing to me. If I let him.

I have a policy of not giving grief to other strong players, and instead showing them respect in pots. I don't get into crazy 3bet/4bet/5bet dynamics with them, and don't do any sick levelling vs them. As I have mentioned in the past, I think this is the best approach for the long-term health of a poker game. I also think it is usually just the most +EV way to play in a vacuum too - not seeking confrontations with strong players, allowing the weaker players into the pots, and making sure you can show up with surprisingly strong hands in pots with good players. But if a good player wants to take advantage of my 'good nature' by deliberately sitting on my direct right then I feel I am almost duty bound to give that player something of a hard time. I am not going to go batshit crazy on them, but I am going to deliberately make them uncomfortable in certain spots. Basically, my aim is that they think twice about choosing to sit in my prime real estate again.

[CHIPPYMAN]

I do agree with Stu & Alex though . Some players change seat not because of position but because what they think their seat is unlucky . In the DC game which Stu played , I think he notice a few players changes seat because of that and not because of position or weaker players . There's no position gain on DC table when Rob, Linton & Sham are playing . They hammered u all even they out of position . That's my opinion.

[david3103]

Is it OK to swap seats if you've been in Seat 1 or 8 and one of 3,4,5,6 opens up?

What's wrong with seat 1 or 8 ? IS IT an excuse to change seats or done people says they can't see properly . All the person I knew at Dtd , Mitch is the only one that is not bother about position . World class

I prefer to be able to see the rest of the table. Would take seat 6 over seat 8 even if it meant being out of position to the best player in the room

[GreekStein]

Good post Alexander Goulder.

You're going to love the cash games in Vegas, every shitty nitty reg wanting to move seats every 2 seconds. fkn annoying

[NEWY]

Was just speaking to Alex about his post and I agree with pretty much all of it.

The only thing I don't agree with is the not changing tables or moving down stakes. I think this is fine when the game starts to get too big and you start playing out of your bankroll.

For example if you sit down to play a £1/£2 game with £500, even if your winning 4 or 5 buyins and are now sitting with £2.5k it doesn't mean your now rolled to play a 1/2/4/8/16 game which always happens late in the night when the regs are losing and trying to get out of it.

Some player feel pressured into staying because they're winning and don't want to hit and run, then they end up playing scared poker which suits the regs who want to make the game big to put the pressure on because they sense the weakness. By staying when the game gets like this you end up just dribbling away chips and not playing optimally, folding hands you want to play just because you don't want to have to 3bet to £100 instead of the £25 it would have been when the game started.

So in my oppinion whether you are a pro or a recreational player if the game starts playing too big where it becomes uncomfortable for you to play anymore then it is absolutely fine to move to a new game or even move down stakes if thats all there is to play. I don't think what Al said about going home is right, you have come to play poker. Why should you have to leave just because a few players are stuck and want to make the game huge just to get out of it. Don't give in to the peer pressure, leave the game.

If 'Mike' doesn't like it and wants to give you a hard time for leaving or moving to a new table then thats up to him but don't let other people affect you making good decisions for you own bankroll.

This makes sense to me. Not that I play these dizzy heights often but if i were on the 1/2 table and luckboxed a double up or better I would not want to play in a bigger game. If people start putting down 2 or 3or 4 straddles that is no longer the 1/2 game i chose to sit down in. If I wanted to move I should be able to without any guilt what so ever. If the regs want to play bigger they should jus go play the 5/10 game where everyone playing that game knows and agrees to what they are signing up for. To this extent I think the club should restrict number of stradlles allowed to protect the game and those players who dont want to play bigger and dont want to be made to feel uncomfortable for not doing so.

[NEWY]

P.s will tfer $20 tommorrow if ok wiv u... lucky fish

[cambridgealex]

To all the regs at DTD that thought the post was directed at them,

Again, IT WASN'T! Nobody in particular, and no incident in particular inspired the post, just a general trend over the last few months and something that I've been meaning to write about for a while.

Some excellent etiquette was on display in tonights game, not to mention some excellent set flopping and flush turning techniques on display by yours truly. Made up handsomely for last nights run bad, and it's turning into a good little week

Can't wait for this next week!

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And then this!



#lovethegame

[StuartHopkin]

Ha ha that little grin makes you look so comedy menacing in that photo.......

[CHIPPYMAN]

Ha ha that little grin makes you look so comedy menacing in that photo.......

Proper dirty grin . Enjoy urself there dude .

[Boba Fett]

If you're winning the lot in a game and you become uncomfortable due to the size of it, just go home. Don't go to play £1/1, don't go to rail your mate in the comp, don't go to the bar and start having a few drinks. It pisses people off. It's so annoying to have done a chunk to someone then see them waltzing round the club with a beer.

Really disagree with this.  Its like someone who wins in a cash game is then doomed to go home and sit in the dark until such time as they want to go back to the club and put that money back in play?  It may be annoying seeing someone spending their cash game winnings at the bar or just see them hanging around basking in the glory of their win but they played the game and won on that occasion and they shouldnt be made to feel like they cant hang around the club with their friends or spend some of their winnings at the bar and enjoy it just because whoever is losing that night might get annoyed.

Also from a grinders perspective, if someone leaves the game and leaves the building theyre out of the game until next time they come back, if they stay in the building there is always a chance they might come back and try to push their luck, especially if they get drunk.

[DMorgan]

If you're winning the lot in a game and you become uncomfortable due to the size of it, just go home. Don't go to play £1/1, don't go to rail your mate in the comp, don't go to the bar and start having a few drinks. It pisses people off. It's so annoying to have done a chunk to someone then see them waltzing round the club with a beer.

Really disagree with this.  Its like someone who wins in a cash game is then doomed to go home and sit in the dark until such time as they want to go back to the club and put that money back in play?  It may be annoying seeing someone spending their cash game winnings at the bar or just see them hanging around basking in the glory of their win but they played the game and won on that occasion and they shouldnt be made to feel like they cant hang around the club with their friends or spend some of their winnings at the bar and enjoy it just because whoever is losing that night might get annoyed.

Also from a grinders perspective, if someone leaves the game and leaves the building theyre out of the game until next time they come back, if they stay in the building there is always a chance they might come back and try to push their luck, especially if they get drunk.

Seems to be some confusion between 'etiquette' and 'how the other regs and I want you to behave'

Etiquette is standard behaviour agreed almost universally by players not just regs.

Edit: When a significant proportion of the player pool of the player pool, one that is important to the continued survival of the games would provide a pretty different list of things that they'd like to see, any one section of the community can't arbitrarily decide what the etiquette for other sections of the community should be.

imo I think most recreational players would be well within their rights to be pretty affronted at the notion of 'correct' conduct being dictated by regs. The stuff about not moving seats and not locking up wins and moving down is fine as an etiquette for regs, as you have the common goal of keeping the bigger games running to maximise your hourly.

Stuff about not wanting recs to go and have a few drinks with their mates before they leave is ridiculous. If that really riles people that much then that is a mental game leak of theirs, not incorrect behaviour from the rec imo.

[cambridgealex]

If you're winning the lot in a game and you become uncomfortable due to the size of it, just go home. Don't go to play £1/1, don't go to rail your mate in the comp, don't go to the bar and start having a few drinks. It pisses people off. It's so annoying to have done a chunk to someone then see them waltzing round the club with a beer.

Really disagree with this.  Its like someone who wins in a cash game is then doomed to go home and sit in the dark until such time as they want to go back to the club and put that money back in play?  It may be annoying seeing someone spending their cash game winnings at the bar or just see them hanging around basking in the glory of their win but they played the game and won on that occasion and they shouldnt be made to feel like they cant hang around the club with their friends or spend some of their winnings at the bar and enjoy it just because whoever is losing that night might get annoyed.

Also from a grinders perspective, if someone leaves the game and leaves the building theyre out of the game until next time they come back, if they stay in the building there is always a chance they might come back and try to push their luck, especially if they get drunk.

Seems to be some confusion between 'etiquette' and 'how the other regs and I want you to behave'

Etiquette is standard behaviour agreed almost universally by players not just regs.

Edit: When a significant proportion of the player pool of the player pool, one that is important to the continued survival of the games would provide a pretty different list of things that they'd like to see, any one section of the community can't arbitrarily decide what the etiquette for other sections of the community should be.

imo I think most recreational players would be well within their rights to be pretty affronted at the notion of 'correct' conduct being dictated by regs. The stuff about not moving seats and not locking up wins and moving down is fine as an etiquette for regs, as you have the common goal of keeping the bigger games running to maximise your hourly.

Stuff about not wanting recs to go and have a few drinks with their mates before they leave is ridiculous. If that really riles people that much then that is a mental game leak of theirs, not incorrect behaviour from the rec imo.

Absolutely, this is not about the behaviour of recs at all.