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« Reply #15660 on: June 13, 2013, 12:57:50 PM »

It could run it twice and it'd still win both times Smiley
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« Reply #15661 on: June 13, 2013, 01:35:50 PM »

No wait, we can't gambol because of things like the name sounds good. That is no way to spend our money. As astute punters we must look at the performance of the horse in similar events and judge whether it warrants our stake. I've just checked the official rankings for Posh Boy and sadly his horsey hendon mob is chit. He hasn't run in any big fields, has an ROI of -100% and no first place finishes or trophies. So the horse can't really justify it's current mark-up of 3:1. Somebody should offer 4/1 about Posh Boy to fix this problem.  
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« Reply #15662 on: June 13, 2013, 02:38:32 PM »

Hi Alex, great reading all your write ups as usual, good luck in vegas.
There is a horse running at yarmouth today in the 2.40 called POSH BOY , last time it ran in a decent handicap and was 4th, that race has worked out quite well and judging by its 3rd run in a maiden the extra 2 furlongs will be good for it today.
It is a classified stakes race today and he is better off weight wise than he would be in a handicap against a few of the horses today, about 3/1 have a look maybe a little pre vegas punt 4 you, dont go mad on it obvs  Smiley

haha, should've done it, too late now! gl to it anyway Cheesy
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« Reply #15663 on: June 13, 2013, 02:38:38 PM »

Cash game etiquette

I've been thinking about writing this for a while as there's a few issues that crop up and although this isn't a set of rules by any means, it's how I see the issues, and I think I'm decently placed to judge since I've been on both sides of the fence at one time or another.

NB, everyone will get paranoid thinking I'm talking about them - no particular incident or individual has brought me to write this. Also everything here is just my opinion and almost every point can be refuted with "It's your money do what you want" - I'm just talking about etiquette, not rules.

The first topic I'd like to right about is a small thing but it grates me - moving seats. I think it's poor form to move seats in a game to get position on another player. For example:

-You are out of position to a good reg. The player on his left gets stacks and leaves the game. Moving to take this seat is bad form. This is the most extreme variant, but anything like this is bad form imo.

-If you see a player coming to join the game and the only seat is on your left, moving to occupy that seat so they have to sit oop to you is borderline imo. Definitely unacceptable if it's a recreational player and they see you move as they approach the table. It's like saying "I'm moving here so you'll have even less of a chance to beat me". It also is unfair on the player who was supposed to have direct position on him. AND it encourages some childish musical shenanigans nonsense where now the player who was on your right will also move up one to gain position on the new player. JUST STAY IN YOUR SEAT!



Obviously there's situations where it's fine to move seats, sometimes you need seat 1 or 8 so you can be near a plug socket. Sometimes you need seat 5 so you can watch the football, but generally, do as you would be done by. Being openly scared to be oop to a good reg gives them the green light to go after you. It's much better to man up and sit down on his right and pretend not to give a shit, than to make a point of not wanting to be there and move somewhere else.

OK next issue - Changing games. Sometimes you can sit in a game that just gets too big for you. Happens quite a lot at DTD, you sit in a 1/2 with £500 and everyone has £500. 4 hours later everyone has £1500+ and at least the £8 straddle is on every hand. Obviously if you're losing/winning bowl then do what you like imo. I definitely think it's acceptable to move from this game to smaller game even if you're winning a bit. I've done this perhaps once in the last 12 months. There was a 2/5 game a few months ago when I was underrolled and taking a shot, I was winning about £900 and the game was short handed, with Mitch and Tim Chung both covering me, and there was a 1/2 (it turned out to be 1/1 but when I left the game I thought it was 1/2) with loads of heroes on it and it looked like a really fun game and more bankroll appropriate for me at the time. I thought and still do think that it's 100% acceptable to move in this situation (£900 is not a big win in a 2/5 game of that size). Also, crucially, the player who I'd won off had left the game. Even if you're losing I think it's bad to leave the game with a sizeable chunk of someone else's money who's still in the game and stuck, especially if that player is a recreational player who will see things differently to a reg (ie see that money as "his" and he'll want the chance to get it back and will take offence).

If you're winning the lot in a game and you become uncomfortable due to the size of it, just go home. Don't go to play £1/1, don't go to rail your mate in the comp, don't go to the bar and start having a few drinks. It pisses people off. It's so annoying to have done a chunk to someone then see them waltzing round the club with a beer.

This brings me to the next point - Locking up wins. I've definitely been on both sides of the fence here. A few years back I was exactly how some of the new regs are now. Winning £x meant a lot, and losing it would be a huge hit on morale. I understand how it feels, and just because I've got more used to the swings and become more resilient, doesn't mean I should resent them for doing it. It's natural to get a bit annoyed by it. When you're stuck and one of your best chances to get out of it leaves the game at 1am with some lame excuse, it's pretty annoying. But I've been there, I sort of get it. I don't want to mention any names, but I've stayed in so many games where I've felt uncomfortable and wanted to go home and I've felt stupid so many times because most of the time it's just to stop "Mike" moaning. You know as soon as you say "last half hour for me boys", Mike will have a moan and shake his head and bring it up over and over again in the future. Sometimes it's like FUCK YOU MIKE I'M GOING HOME!

BUT, on the other side of the fence, it's been good for me and my reputation that I've stayed in those games. As I hear rec A say to me "I would call you but not REG B cos you know you won't get it back from him". So having a reputation as a "win locker uper" is pretty bad long term both for your rep as a reg, and for getting action off recs. And it reflects badly on DTD games in general, to people that come from elsewhere.

Also I remember all the people that double through me for £100 and then fold for 15 minutes then say last three hands. And either they won't get action from me next time, or I'll just spite go after them in every pot Cheesy

The same applies to those who just nit up and fold for the last 2 hours of the game. It's not much better than quitting, everyone knows what you're doing and it still pisses people off, and again, people won't give you action. I feel I do well in the games because people like to gamble with me, because I gamble with them, even when I'm winning chunks, I give them a chance to get it back. This is very important imo.

I will add to this as I think of more issues, but this is all I can think of for now. Opinions and feedback, as ever, very welcome Smiley
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« Reply #15664 on: June 13, 2013, 03:03:56 PM »

tl;dr

Moving to a different thread.
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« Reply #15665 on: June 13, 2013, 03:18:39 PM »

Think this post is gonna gain a lot of interest, made me think a lot too about shot-taking the tough 1/2 game.
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« Reply #15666 on: June 13, 2013, 03:23:09 PM »

Is seating position at the table not simply another resource to be exploited by the professional player?

The "seat-change" button system that they use in Vegas seems to work fine.
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« Reply #15667 on: June 13, 2013, 04:20:01 PM »

The seat change thing I absolutely agree with, where you sit at the start is where you stay, I don't change seats. Any open seat is fair game upon sitting down, but once your chips are in play, they are there to stay. Yes, that does rhyme.

With regards to game changing, those 1/2 games can get ridiculously big very fast. If I find that I am starting to see bets as money and no longer as chips, then I am no longer able to play optimal poker, hence I should be getting up and moving down the stakes. I often don't stay that late anyway, I am rarely at dtd until close, because I often have other commitments during the day from uni or other things, and so when I feel myself get tired, I'm once again in a situation where I won't be playing good poker, hence I should leave. I hope I don't have a reputation as a hit and run/lock up win guy. If I have a time that I am going to leave, then I leave regardless of stack size. The only time I will ever move games is either when the money gets a little too much for me, or the game looks like its breaking and there is another one with a seat which looks worth sitting in.
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« Reply #15668 on: June 13, 2013, 05:01:07 PM »

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Poshboy's style of giving a compliment. Nobody's as perfect as you.   Cheesy
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« Reply #15669 on: June 13, 2013, 05:04:50 PM »

Great post... alanis morrisette would love it
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« Reply #15670 on: June 13, 2013, 05:18:01 PM »

Is seating position at the table not simply another resource to be exploited by the professional player?

Think the exploited bit is the crucial point that Alex is making.

Good players are exploiting weaker / recreational players by playing hands better, and winning money.
Weaker players generally know this, and accept it, as long as sometimes the money ships back the other way.

What they don't want, is the exploitation to continue outside of the play of hands, and in very obvious ways.
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« Reply #15671 on: June 13, 2013, 05:19:02 PM »

Great post... alanis morrisette would love it

Getting more like AndrewT's apprentice every day.....
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« Reply #15672 on: June 13, 2013, 05:38:56 PM »

Was just speaking to Alex about his post and I agree with pretty much all of it.

The only thing I don't agree with is the not changing tables or moving down stakes. I think this is fine when the game starts to get too big and you start playing out of your bankroll.

For example if you sit down to play a £1/£2 game with £500, even if your winning 4 or 5 buyins and are now sitting with £2.5k it doesn't mean your now rolled to play a 1/2/4/8/16 game which always happens late in the night when the regs are losing and trying to get out of it.

Some player feel pressured into staying because they're winning and don't want to hit and run, then they end up playing scared poker which suits the regs who want to make the game big to put the pressure on because they sense the weakness. By staying when the game gets like this you end up just dribbling away chips and not playing optimally, folding hands you want to play just because you don't want to have to 3bet to £100 instead of the £25 it would have been when the game started.

So in my oppinion whether you are a pro or a recreational player if the game starts playing too big where it becomes uncomfortable for you to play anymore then it is absolutely fine to move to a new game or even move down stakes if thats all there is to play. I don't think what Al said about going home is right, you have come to play poker. Why should you have to leave just because a few players are stuck and want to make the game huge just to get out of it. Don't give in to the peer pressure, leave the game.

If 'Mike' doesn't like it and wants to give you a hard time for leaving or moving to a new table then thats up to him but don't let other people affect you making good decisions for you own bankroll.
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« Reply #15673 on: June 13, 2013, 05:46:17 PM »

Great post... alanis morrisette would love it

made me chuckle anyway
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« Reply #15674 on: June 13, 2013, 06:00:38 PM »

Great post... alanis morrisette would love it

Just like to confirm Alex had no idea what this meant. Played him the song and he'd never heard of it/didnt recognise it
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