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[Tal]

I'm sure there's some tongues in cheek here, but I'd have Jose a long way above Pep.

Pep is the one of the two who needs a bottomless budget or a squad that's already assembled for him.

Find it hard to understand the rationale for those choosing Pep over Jose.

Pep improves players.  De Bruyne and Sterling are miles ahead in performance from where they were before he arrived.  We may well never know if he can work on a budget, but the same can be said of Mourinho. 

I'm not saying he's a bad coach. Every top flight manager improves players. They're on millions a year to do that.

Jose has done it with a budget: Uniao de Leiria and Porto weren't rich clubs and punched well above their weight through his work, ideas and implementation.

He's done it with money and without money.

If I owned a midtable team, he'd be the first name I wanted without hesitation.

[PokerBroker]

I'm sure there's some tongues in cheek here, but I'd have Jose a long way above Pep.

Pep is the one of the two who needs a bottomless budget or a squad that's already assembled for him.

Find it hard to understand the rationale for those choosing Pep over Jose.

This has to be a level right?

Pep cut his teeth bringing through a whole generation of Barcelona players who went on to arguably be the best group in the world.

His teams play beautiful football in the spirit it’s meant to be played in.

[Tal]

I'm sure there's some tongues in cheek here, but I'd have Jose a long way above Pep.

Pep is the one of the two who needs a bottomless budget or a squad that's already assembled for him.

Find it hard to understand the rationale for those choosing Pep over Jose.

This has to be a level right?

Pep cut his teeth bringing through a whole generation of Barcelona players who went on to arguably be the best group in the world.

His teams play beautiful football in the spirit it’s meant to be played in.

It doesn't have to be the case that one is a genius and the other a charlatan. Both are very good.

I put Mourinho above Pep.

[arbboy]

I'm sure there's some tongues in cheek here, but I'd have Jose a long way above Pep.

Pep is the one of the two who needs a bottomless budget or a squad that's already assembled for him.

Find it hard to understand the rationale for those choosing Pep over Jose.

This has to be a level right?

Pep cut his teeth bringing through a whole generation of Barcelona players who went on to arguably be the best group in the world.

His teams play beautiful football in the spirit it’s meant to be played in.

It doesn't have to be the case that one is a genius and the other a charlatan. Both are very good.

I put Mourinho above Pep.

If spurs needed a new manager tomorrow which one would you choose assuming both were equally available in fantasy land?  Surely you take Pep over Jose?  I think its a level as well.

[rinswun]

Has to be a level!

[hhyftrftdr]

100% level.

No football fan on this planet can claim Maureen to be the superior manager over Pep.

Anyone who uses the excuse that Pep has spent £X is talking out their arse.

[nirvana]

I'd be really unhappy if any of the top 5 managers, bar one, were sought by arsenal. Can't stand the managers who want it all to be about them. Of the 4 look-at-me's, Pep is the least worst.

[DungBeetle]

I'm sure there's some tongues in cheek here, but I'd have Jose a long way above Pep.

Pep is the one of the two who needs a bottomless budget or a squad that's already assembled for him.

Find it hard to understand the rationale for those choosing Pep over Jose.

Pep improves players.  De Bruyne and Sterling are miles ahead in performance from where they were before he arrived.  We may well never know if he can work on a budget, but the same can be said of Mourinho. 

I'm not saying he's a bad coach. Every top flight manager improves players. They're on millions a year to do that.

Jose has done it with a budget: Uniao de Leiria and Porto weren't rich clubs and punched well above their weight through his work, ideas and implementation.

He's done it with money and without money.

If I owned a midtable team, he'd be the first name I wanted without hesitation.

Walter Mazzari regressed a number of players at Watford.  I’m sure other clubs can list similar managers in the top flight to do so!  Put it this way, if Pep had joined Man Utd summer 2016 and Jose Man City and has the same budgets as were given, I don’t think Man Utd would be 15 points behind right now.  I’d go as far to say they would be on a par due to Pep’s impact.

[Tal]

100% level.

No football fan on this planet can claim Maureen to be the superior manager over Pep.

Anyone who uses the excuse that Pep has spent £X is talking out their arse.

Oh stop being so melodramatic! It's not like I've said my favourite flavour of monster munch is roast beef! They're both good managers and coaches. Some people believe one is better; others the other.

As for who I'd want at spurs, it's tough because both build teams up and then leave. If Jose can persuade Bale to come back, he gets it.

If I were a mid table team fan, it'd be Jose in a heartbeat.

Thus is the Man United thread. Think it's ok to express a view that their manager is better than another team's.

[Tal]

I'm sure there's some tongues in cheek here, but I'd have Jose a long way above Pep.

Pep is the one of the two who needs a bottomless budget or a squad that's already assembled for him.

Find it hard to understand the rationale for those choosing Pep over Jose.

Pep improves players.  De Bruyne and Sterling are miles ahead in performance from where they were before he arrived.  We may well never know if he can work on a budget, but the same can be said of Mourinho. 

I'm not saying he's a bad coach. Every top flight manager improves players. They're on millions a year to do that.

Jose has done it with a budget: Uniao de Leiria and Porto weren't rich clubs and punched well above their weight through his work, ideas and implementation.

He's done it with money and without money.

If I owned a midtable team, he'd be the first name I wanted without hesitation.

Walter Mazzari regressed a number of players at Watford.  I’m sure other clubs can list similar managers in the top flight to do so!  Put it this way, if Pep had joined Man Utd summer 2016 and Jose Man City and has the same budgets as were given, I don’t think Man Utd would be 15 points behind right now.  I’d go as far to say they would be on a par due to Pep’s impact.

On your first point, if you're saying that some managers are overpaid and the likes of Tuchel, Anceotti, Pep, Sir Alex and Jose are (comparatively) underpaid, we have common ground. It's way too flat.

Pep has done very well at City, Barca and Bayern. Would Jose have been 15 points clear? There's surely an element of variance here: 17 wins in a row is a freak result, even in what might be a relatively weak league. Mancini's City dominated in the first half of 2010/11(?) too.

Personally, I choose Mourinho. That's all really.

[DungBeetle]

I'm sure there's some tongues in cheek here, but I'd have Jose a long way above Pep.

Pep is the one of the two who needs a bottomless budget or a squad that's already assembled for him.

Find it hard to understand the rationale for those choosing Pep over Jose.

Pep improves players.  De Bruyne and Sterling are miles ahead in performance from where they were before he arrived.  We may well never know if he can work on a budget, but the same can be said of Mourinho. 

I'm not saying he's a bad coach. Every top flight manager improves players. They're on millions a year to do that.

Jose has done it with a budget: Uniao de Leiria and Porto weren't rich clubs and punched well above their weight through his work, ideas and implementation.

He's done it with money and without money.

If I owned a midtable team, he'd be the first name I wanted without hesitation.

Walter Mazzari regressed a number of players at Watford.  I’m sure other clubs can list similar managers in the top flight to do so!  Put it this way, if Pep had joined Man Utd summer 2016 and Jose Man City and has the same budgets as were given, I don’t think Man Utd would be 15 points behind right now.  I’d go as far to say they would be on a par due to Pep’s impact.

On your first point, if you're saying that some managers are overpaid and the likes of Tuchel, Anceotti, Pep, Sir Alex and Jose are (comparatively) underpaid, we have common ground. It's way too flat.

Pep has done very well at City, Barca and Bayern. Would Jose have been 15 points clear? There's surely an element of variance here: 17 wins in a row is a freak result, even in what might be a relatively weak league. Mancini's City dominated in the first half of 2010/11(?) too.

Personally, I choose Mourinho. That's all really.

It’s the style though as well.  This current City team take opponents out of the equation.  Newcastle did not feel they could even attack at home last night.  Pep’s teams dominate a game in way a José team never can.  I’d be surprised if more than 10% of fans would take Mourinho over Pep.  But it’s just an opinion as you say.  Who would be better for Watford is an interesting question.  If I were a team with a decent flow of youth players like Spurs, Everton, Saints I would definitely take Pep.  For a Watford/WBA type team it is less clear cut.  Maybe Jose pragmatism wins the day.

[rinswun]

I'm genuinely shocked that anyone would think that Jose would be a better option than Pep for any club. The argument that Pep has never done it at a smaller club is moot because he's never had a chance - and never will. What he has done is elevate every single big club he's been at to be the most successful they have ever been - see the winning runs each has racked up - playing a style of football that is the envy of every other club.

Whilst he's been successful, of the club's he's been at Jose has only really elevated Porto. Potentially you could argue Chelsea but their budget was so far beyond the rest of the league in that period that it would have been a failure if he'd not won the league. Indeed, whilst he's won trophies, he's also alienated players, staff and fans and generally has always left his clubs on a sore note.

No brainer for me.

[hhyftrftdr]

I'm genuinely shocked that anyone would think that Jose would be a better option than Pep for any club. The argument that Pep has never done it at a smaller club is moot because he's never had a chance - and never will. What he has done is elevate every single big club he's been at to be the most successful they have ever been - see the winning runs each has racked up - playing a style of football that is the envy of every other club.

Whilst he's been successful, of the club's he's been at Jose has only really elevated Porto. Potentially you could argue Chelsea but their budget was so far beyond the rest of the league in that period that it would have been a failure if he'd not won the league. Indeed, whilst he's won trophies, he's also alienated players, staff and fans and generally has always left his clubs on a sore note.

No brainer for me.

Is the correct answer.

[Marky147]

100% level.

No football fan on this planet can claim Maureen to be the superior manager over Pep.

Anyone who uses the excuse that Pep has spent £X is talking out their arse.

Oh stop being so melodramatic! It's not like I've said my favourite flavour of monster munch is roast beef! They're both good managers and coaches. Some people believe one is better; others the other.

As for who I'd want at spurs, it's tough because both build teams up and then leave. If Jose can persuade Bale to come back, he gets it.

If I were a mid table team fan, it'd be Jose in a heartbeat.

Thus is the Man United thread. Think it's ok to express a view that their manager is better than another team's.

Roast Beef fan here

[engy]

I'm genuinely shocked that anyone would think that Jose would be a better option than Pep for any club. The argument that Pep has never done it at a smaller club is moot because he's never had a chance - and never will. What he has done is elevate every single big club he's been at to be the most successful they have ever been - see the winning runs each has racked up - playing a style of football that is the envy of every other club.

Whilst he's been successful, of the club's he's been at Jose has only really elevated Porto. Potentially you could argue Chelsea but their budget was so far beyond the rest of the league in that period that it would have been a failure if he'd not won the league. Indeed, whilst he's won trophies, he's also alienated players, staff and fans and generally has always left his clubs on a sore note.

No brainer for me.

With city's budget and squad could the same be said?  I think it would have been failure if city never won the league this season