Manchester United, that didn't last long. Seven up

[tikay]

Blimey.

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[Archer]

They’ve just asked on
@SundaySupp
 “has the gulf ever been wider between the two teams [United and City]”

I’m gonna suggest ‘99 when United won the treble and City were in League One just about edges it... #ManchesterDerby

Lol

How would city 99 v United 99 be priced compared to yesterday?

man city away would have been about a 20/1 poke i would have imagined in that era if it was a cup game and both teams playing to full strength.  Back in that era very few teams were ever odds on away in league games.  Top v bottom in the EPL would have been priced roughly around 1/3 home team 9/1 away team.  Now its closer to 1/10 and 40/1.

thanks for this very interesting

yep interesting

a couple of years later in 2000/2001 City were back in the PL and united played city at old trafford close to the end of the season....united were champions in 2000/2001 and City relegated again ..with 34 points

WH odds  in 00/01  United 1.36  Draw 4  City 7.00
WH odds at the weekend   City 1.38 Draw 5 United 7.55

[arbboy]

They’ve just asked on
@SundaySupp
 “has the gulf ever been wider between the two teams [United and City]”

I’m gonna suggest ‘99 when United won the treble and City were in League One just about edges it... #ManchesterDerby

Lol

How would city 99 v United 99 be priced compared to yesterday?

man city away would have been about a 20/1 poke i would have imagined in that era if it was a cup game and both teams playing to full strength.  Back in that era very few teams were ever odds on away in league games.  Top v bottom in the EPL would have been priced roughly around 1/3 home team 9/1 away team.  Now its closer to 1/10 and 40/1.

thanks for this very interesting

yep interesting

a couple of years later in 2000/2001 City were back in the PL and united played city at old trafford close to the end of the season....united were champions in 2000/2001 and City relegated again ..with 34 points

WH odds  in 00/01  United 1.36  Draw 4  City 7.00
WH odds at the weekend   City 1.38 Draw 5 United 7.55

Maybe i am being too generous then calling Manure a mid table side currently then!  Where did you get the 00/01 WH odds from just out of interest?

[Archer]

They’ve just asked on
@SundaySupp
 “has the gulf ever been wider between the two teams [United and City]”

I’m gonna suggest ‘99 when United won the treble and City were in League One just about edges it... #ManchesterDerby

Lol

How would city 99 v United 99 be priced compared to yesterday?

man city away would have been about a 20/1 poke i would have imagined in that era if it was a cup game and both teams playing to full strength.  Back in that era very few teams were ever odds on away in league games.  Top v bottom in the EPL would have been priced roughly around 1/3 home team 9/1 away team.  Now its closer to 1/10 and 40/1.

thanks for this very interesting

yep interesting

a couple of years later in 2000/2001 City were back in the PL and united played city at old trafford close to the end of the season....united were champions in 2000/2001 and City relegated again ..with 34 points

WH odds  in 00/01  United 1.36  Draw 4  City 7.00
WH odds at the weekend   City 1.38 Draw 5 United 7.55

Maybe i am being too generous then calling Manure a mid table side currently then!  Where did you get the 00/01 WH odds from just out of interest?

Exactly

Historical odds  for each year since 2000/2001 here:

http://www.football-data.co.uk/englandm.php


A bit fiddly to find at  first but I stick a filter on the spreadsheets and it's quick enough.

[arbboy]

It is truly incredible the prices the top v bottom go off now giiven how the epl tv money is supposed to be acting as a leveler as its equal across all teams yet the hugely dominant teams of the past like the great Manure/Arsenal/Liverpool teams never went off the prices the big 2 go off routinely nowadays for games.

When a lolbig 6 clash has a team going off 4/11 at home to a fellow lolbig6 team its incredible scenes really.  There used to be an old school saying in football betting in this era 'never bet odds on away' because there were hardly ever any odds on away teams and they were always deemed too short.   It is entirely possible man city could go off shade of odds on at Old trafford this season!

[TightEnd]

Fourth time MUFC have failed to score at home in nine games this season. Fans booed at the end. MUFC's worst start to a season in 28 years.

[TightEnd]

Welcome to the modern day Manchester United, a stuttering, labouring, plodding monument to mediocrity assembled at exorbitant cost

says

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2018/11/24/manchester-united-vs-crystal-palace-premier-league-live-score/

[Pokerpops]

Nothing wrong that a change of manager wouldn’t fix.

[tikay]

Strange times when a lowly team draws with Man U & the Manager gets the sack.

I'm largely a neutral, but it's pretty sad to see the demise of Man U.

[Pokerpops]

Strange times when a lowly team draws with Man U & the Manager gets the sack.

I'm largely a neutral, but it's pretty sad to see the demise of Man U.

Don’t let Ironside hear you say that!

The ‘demise’ of MUFC is both somewhat exaggerated, and inevitable. Younger viewers will have known only the glory years of SAF, but some of us remember that it took a while to replace Sir Matt.
 McGuiness, O’Farrell, Docherty, Sexton and Atkinson all came and went with the odd cup success to savour before Ferguson arrived. It took him a few years to really get into his stride.

[TightEnd]

the difference, compared to the prior generations, being the financial disparity top six v the rest now v then and Man U's transfer and wage spending correlating to a far higher position than 7th, were the league table to equate to spend

[Doobs]

the difference, compared to the prior generations, being the financial disparity top six v the rest now v then and Man U's transfer and wage spending correlating to a far higher position than 7th, were the league table to equate to spend

But looking at the current league alone is misleading; Manchester United have performed at least as well as Liverpool and Spurs in the Champion's League.   They outperformed them both in last year's Premier League too. 

You could probably make a decent case that they are performing in line with their spend since the beginning of last season.  It could be just City are outliers and Mourinho isn't nearly as popular with neutrals/press as Klopp, hence every bad result is magnified. It feels like a lot of this could be just short term variance.   

[Pokerpops]

the difference, compared to the prior generations, being the financial disparity top six v the rest now v then and Man U's transfer and wage spending correlating to a far higher position than 7th, were the league table to equate to spend

But looking at the current league alone is misleading; Manchester United have performed at least as well as Liverpool and Spurs in the Champion's League.   They outperformed them both in last year's Premier League too. 

You could probably make a decent case that they are performing in line with their spend since the beginning of last season.  It could be just City are outliers and Mourinho isn't nearly as popular with neutrals/press as Klopp, hence every bad result is magnified. It feels like a lot of this could be just short term variance.   

If spend automatically equates 100% to league position we might as well all give up now.

If that had been Mourinho dancing onto the pitch the press would have been calling for him to be put in the stocks.

[MANTIS01]

I just don't recognise Mourinho anymore. At Chelsea the bond he had with his players was tangible, like a band of brothers, hiding in the laundry basket to be with his team, a solid unit.

At United he feels almost poisonous towards the playing staff, constant criticism, saying they lack bottle & fight, professionalism, Pogba a 'virus', Shaw 'lazy' etc. I don't know what it's all about.   

[arbboy]

the difference, compared to the prior generations, being the financial disparity top six v the rest now v then and Man U's transfer and wage spending correlating to a far higher position than 7th, were the league table to equate to spend

But looking at the current league alone is misleading; Manchester United have performed at least as well as Liverpool and Spurs in the Champion's League.   They outperformed them both in last year's Premier League too. 

You could probably make a decent case that they are performing in line with their spend since the beginning of last season.  It could be just City are outliers and Mourinho isn't nearly as popular with neutrals/press as Klopp, hence every bad result is magnified. It feels like a lot of this could be just short term variance.   

This is a level doobs right?  I will bite.  Everyone knows manure should have comfortably finished 6th last year in the epl on all known data and it wasn't even close.