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« on: December 28, 2005, 10:19:59 PM »

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$400 NL Texas Hold'em - Monday, December 19, 12:57:41 EDT 2005
Table Table  68511 (Real Money)
Seat 5 is the button

Seat 1: mrpaulppp ( $491.60 )
Seat 2: PMilanov ( $404.30 )
Seat 6: yoivan ( $111.90 )
Seat 8: snoopy1239 ( $356 )
Seat 9: MadRasputin ( $351.50 )
Seat 5: Perfect_ ( $143.56 )
Seat 7: Gut_Dam_U ( $290.20 )
Seat 10: Silky_DC ( $76 )
Seat 3: hardman7 ( $385.40 )
Seat 4: amcawker1 ( $160 )
yoivan posts small blind [$2].
Gut_Dam_U posts big blind [$4].
amcawker1 posts big blind [$4].

Dealt to snoopy1239 [  ]

snoopy1239 raises [$15].
MadRasputin calls [$15].
Silky_DC folds.
mrpaulppp calls [$15].
PMilanov folds.
hardman7 folds.
amcawker1 folds.
Perfect_ folds.
yoivan folds.
Gut_Dam_U folds.

** Dealing Flop ** [ , , ]


This hand hurt me big time cos I was so so sure I knew what he was holding.

What would you do on this flop?
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« Reply #1 on: December 28, 2005, 10:21:30 PM »

check and see what the others do. 

The way I would look at is that you only have a pair of fours really.   Everyone has the pair of 6's and you'd be behind any pocket pair, a 6 or a 4 with a better kicker.  Also there is a flush draw potentially for someone.

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« Reply #2 on: December 29, 2005, 12:16:03 AM »

Ok here's my view for what it's worth..........

To my mind you need to think back to why you were playing the hand originally?

Surely it was to hit a straight or a flush rather than a very modest pair?

There is a small argument for a feeler bet here but I think you'll just get called again by at least one of the others. An important factor to me here is that there's still two others left in after the flop, against one player  I'd be more confident that my hand, which could well be winning, would hold up.

I doubt you're up against a huge pocket pair else you'd probably have been reraised preflop?   But you could still be up against 7's or 8's though.

Even best case scenario for the current situation would say you're probably up against 4 over cards....and maybe a flush draw too.

Doesn't look good to me and I'd figure I was going to get outdrawn here so it's a check for me too.
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« Reply #3 on: December 29, 2005, 12:48:06 AM »

Whether I bet or not depends on my opponents here. If you get called, it's bad news. Out of position and only 2 cards can help your hand. Pretty much end of pot for you. (unless you get one caller and an ace or heart hits the turn, in which case another bet would have value to get them off a middle pair.)
I think a continuation bet of half the pot still has value only if opponents are passive.
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« Reply #4 on: December 29, 2005, 01:32:10 AM »

I think it depends on your opponents too.

If you think they can fold overcards, then it might be worth betting out to see if they have pairs. Then you can easily check later on when they call.

I really don't like the paired board, as it means that if you get a call, hitting the 2nd pair won't help.

I'd probably check this and let it go if someone bet. If they both check, then you can safely say they have overcards. Therefore, if the next card is a rag, you might be able to take it with your small pair.
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« Reply #5 on: December 29, 2005, 01:43:13 AM »

The bugger of this situation is that if you've got the type of opponents that you can't bet into here, they're also the guys who will bet their overcards at you and you'll have to lay down.
When a pot's over it's over.
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« Reply #6 on: December 29, 2005, 10:54:27 AM »

Bet once, representing the big pair that they think you raised with preflop. If you get called, you're done.
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« Reply #7 on: December 29, 2005, 10:58:32 AM »

Bet once, representing the big pair that they think you raised with preflop. If you get called, you're done.

i agree
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« Reply #8 on: December 29, 2005, 12:31:44 PM »

This is what happened next.


***** Hand History for Game 3227815385 *****

$400 NL Texas Hold'em - Monday, December 19, 12:57:41 EDT 2005
Table Table  68511 (Real Money)
Seat 5 is the button

Seat 1: mrpaulppp ( $491.60 )
Seat 2: PMilanov ( $404.30 )
Seat 6: yoivan ( $111.90 )
Seat 8: snoopy1239 ( $356 )
Seat 9: MadRasputin ( $351.50 )
Seat 5: Perfect_ ( $143.56 )
Seat 7: Gut_Dam_U ( $290.20 )
Seat 10: Silky_DC ( $76 )
Seat 3: hardman7 ( $385.40 )
Seat 4: amcawker1 ( $160 )
yoivan posts small blind [$2].
Gut_Dam_U posts big blind [$4].
amcawker1 posts big blind [$4].

Dealt to snoopy1239 [  ]

snoopy1239 raises [$15].
MadRasputin calls [$15].
Silky_DC folds.
mrpaulppp calls [$15].
PMilanov folds.
hardman7 folds.
amcawker1 folds.
Perfect_ folds.
yoivan folds.
Gut_Dam_U folds.

** Dealing Flop ** [ , , ]

snoopy1239 bets [$30].
MadRasputin calls [$30].
mrpaulppp folds.

** Dealing Turn ** [ ]


Hehe, it's a tempter. What should I do now?
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« Reply #9 on: December 29, 2005, 12:34:03 PM »

Suddenly, it all became clear.

He was a fish.
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« Reply #10 on: December 29, 2005, 12:36:26 PM »

you are in all sorts of bother

two flush draws out and several of those flush cards counterfiet a straight if it comes for you

I suppose I bet again...you putting him on a 6 or a draw?  if he calls, the draw, if he raises, the overpair or the 6
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« Reply #11 on: December 29, 2005, 12:43:01 PM »

If he's calling so far, I would probably assume he has either a flush or trips.  Trouble is you've put in a nice amount to lose.  I'd check the turn and see what happens.

Its like the problems in Harringtons Holdem  book Cheesy
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« Reply #12 on: December 29, 2005, 01:18:39 PM »

Check, because I have no answers, just questions....

Overpair?
Flush draw?
Suited connectors, including a 6?
44?
What does he think I have?
Am I going to bluff if a flush card comes?
Why the hell did I raise UTG with 4 high?

I think the chance of losing any additional money going into the pot is greater than my winning chances. If I'm bluffed off the best hand then so be it.

How did you manage to narrow down his hand range when all he has done is call?


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« Reply #13 on: December 29, 2005, 01:37:13 PM »

check raise it will scare the hell out of him.

no honestly i dont know anymore its a horrible board i would put a bet in. if hes got a good hand he will probably reraise you after that turn unless he is very strong and not scared of a flush or a straight. he might just call if he has 44 or 66 and then you are in all sorts of crap. hope it was a happy ending mate
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« Reply #14 on: December 29, 2005, 02:16:39 PM »

I said before that the turn would need to complete a flush or bring an ace to tempt me into betting again as a value bluff. This turn is not one I'll bluff at.

There are so many draws on the board that he is likely to either have one or put you on one. I don't think he's likely to lay anything down here that he's already called two bets with. It's time to give up the hand. Check and Fold.

(You're going to say he checked behind you and the river brought you a 4 and you lost loads of money as you didn't put him on a 6 is my prediction)
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