Another spot beyond SNG Wiz?

[MC]

I like your chips and card mods!!

[DMorgan]

I don't really see the point of the min raise instead of just shoving here as nobody's going to not look at your stack on the bubble on a ft. I agree it has merit in most spots but it's just a waste of time while multi tabling in this instance, imo.

The main reason for doing this is that if we get a preflop situation whereby 3 people are all in after you then you can fold

[Moskvich]

I don't really see the point of the min raise instead of just shoving here as nobody's going to not look at your stack on the bubble on a ft. I agree it has merit in most spots but it's just a waste of time while multi tabling in this instance, imo.

The main reason for doing this is that if we get a preflop situation whereby 3 people are all in after you then you can fold

There is some downside to it though isn't there? In that it looks weak to anyone who knows what we're doing, so will occasionally actually encourage a call that might have been a fold had we shoved. I've only ever seen a reg do this when weak.

[MC]

I don't really see the point of the min raise instead of just shoving here as nobody's going to not look at your stack on the bubble on a ft. I agree it has merit in most spots but it's just a waste of time while multi tabling in this instance, imo.

The main reason for doing this is that if we get a preflop situation whereby 3 people are all in after you then you can fold

There is some downside to it though isn't there? In that it looks weak to anyone who knows what we're doing, so will occasionally actually encourage a call that might have been a fold had we shoved. I've only ever seen a reg do this when weak.

Meh, I make sure I do it with all my premium hands as well to balance my range. Considering the blinds and ante's are so big compared to our stack it's not like we're dying for a call with most of them anyway.

[mondatoo]

I don't really see the point of the min raise instead of just shoving here as nobody's going to not look at your stack on the bubble on a ft. I agree it has merit in most spots but it's just a waste of time while multi tabling in this instance, imo.

I think you're misguided here. There is no downside to making it 2400 instead of moving all-in. If it causes someone to fold who would have called had you moved all in even 1% of the time, then surely it is worth it. How much more difficult is it to make this raise as opposed to shoving?

I very much doubt it works even 1% of the time on the bubble or even on a ft. When playing 24 tables (not sure if you still play that many) making it 2400 takes longer than clicking the all in button. 

[the sicilian]

Easy ship I'm afraid james...

[Longy]

It works enough (I would guess 1% is accurate) and you make sure you balance to keep regs from calling lighter. If the time it takes to make it 3x adversely effects your play on other tables, you are playing too many tables.

[MC]

I very much doubt it works even 1% of the time on the bubble or even on a ft. When playing 24 tables (not sure if you still play that many) making it 2400 takes longer than clicking the all in button. 

PokerStars Game #58028868526: Tournament #367142276, $35+$3 USD Hold'em No Limit - Level IX (300/600) - 2011/02/21 10:55:13 WET [2011/02/21 5:55:13 ET]
Table '367142276 2' 9-max Seat #4 is the button
Seat 1: BlingDoubt (2040 in chips)
Seat 2: TAUB72 (7520 in chips)
Seat 3: voodduu (3440 in chips)
Seat 4: alegreg3 (2690 in chips)
Seat 5: daz2274 (5945 in chips)
Seat 7: sup-sport777 (3875 in chips)
Seat 9: epitomised (1490 in chips)
BlingDoubt: posts the ante 50
TAUB72: posts the ante 50
voodduu: posts the ante 50
alegreg3: posts the ante 50
daz2274: posts the ante 50
sup-sport777: posts the ante 50
epitomised: posts the ante 50
daz2274: posts small blind 300
sup-sport777: posts big blind 600
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to epitomised [ ]
epitomised: raises 600 to 1200
BlingDoubt: folds
TAUB72: folds
voodduu: folds
alegreg3: folds
daz2274: folds
sup-sport777: folds
Uncalled bet (600) returned to epitomised
epitomised collected 1850 from pot
epitomised: doesn't show hand
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 1850 | Rake 0
Seat 1: BlingDoubt folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 2: TAUB72 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 3: voodduu folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 4: alegreg3 (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 5: daz2274 (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 7: sup-sport777 (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 9: epitomised collected (1850)

[MC]

I very much doubt it works even 1% of the time on the bubble or even on a ft. When playing 24 tables (not sure if you still play that many) making it 2400 takes longer than clicking the all in button. 

PokerStars Game #58029342465: Tournament #367145038, $55+$5 USD Hold'em No Limit - Level VIII (200/400) - 2011/02/21 11:15:11 WET [2011/02/21 6:15:11 ET]
Table '367145038 2' 9-max Seat #4 is the button
Seat 1: emily24 (4467 in chips)
Seat 2: kennnny32 (5732 in chips)
Seat 3: epitomised (1011 in chips)
Seat 4: arbitrary1 (2063 in chips)
Seat 6: NotFor_long1 (4076 in chips)
Seat 8: vinacis_gg (3999 in chips)
Seat 9: mr_maskin (5652 in chips)
emily24: posts the ante 25
kennnny32: posts the ante 25
epitomised: posts the ante 25
arbitrary1: posts the ante 25
NotFor_long1: posts the ante 25
vinacis_gg: posts the ante 25
mr_maskin: posts the ante 25
NotFor_long1: posts small blind 200
vinacis_gg: posts big blind 400
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to epitomised [ ]
mr_maskin: folds
emily24: folds
kennnny32: folds
epitomised: raises 400 to 800
arbitrary1: folds
NotFor_long1: folds
vinacis_gg: folds
Uncalled bet (400) returned to epitomised
epitomised collected 1175 from pot
epitomised: doesn't show hand
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 1175 | Rake 0
Seat 1: emily24 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 2: kennnny32 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 3: epitomised collected (1175)
Seat 4: arbitrary1 (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 6: NotFor_long1 (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 8: vinacis_gg (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 9: mr_maskin folded before Flop (didn't bet)

[MC]

I very much doubt it works even 1% of the time on the bubble or even on a ft. When playing 24 tables (not sure if you still play that many) making it 2400 takes longer than clicking the all in button. 

PokerStars Game #58029671793: Tournament #367146868, $25+$2 USD Hold'em No Limit - Level XI (600/1200) - 2011/02/21 11:27:51 WET [2011/02/21 6:27:51 ET]
Table '367146868 2' 9-max Seat #8 is the button
Seat 1: csinclair79 (10755 in chips)
Seat 3: epitomised (2545 in chips)
Seat 8: BornSurvivor (12030 in chips)
Seat 9: arny333 (1670 in chips)
csinclair79: posts the ante 75
epitomised: posts the ante 75
BornSurvivor: posts the ante 75
arny333: posts the ante 75
arny333: posts small blind 600
csinclair79: posts big blind 1200
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to epitomised [ ]
epitomised: raises 1200 to 2400
BornSurvivor: folds
arny333: folds
csinclair79: folds
Uncalled bet (1200) returned to epitomised
epitomised collected 3300 from pot
epitomised: doesn't show hand
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 3300 | Rake 0
Seat 1: csinclair79 (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 3: epitomised collected (3300)
Seat 8: BornSurvivor (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 9: arny333 (small blind) folded before Flop

[mondatoo]

It is a good play, I do it also. Blatantly in all three spots they fold if you shove