Sorel Mizzi Accused of Cheating at Chinese Poker during PCA

[kinboshi]

However, opening up a new account just to carry on playing on FTP, after your previous one was banned, possibly unfairly / harshly given the offence committed, and the probability that lots of others have committed the same offence, but without the same penalty, is in a different category.
Although this gives him an advantage in the short term, the account gets opened not with the express intention of deception, but just to stay in the game.
It's still wrong, but I could see myself considering doing this, if it was my only source of income.

Seriously? Not with intent to deceive? Opening an account at a site where you're banned from playing, to play vs people you have tons of history with under a SN they wont recognize? Sounds very deceptive to me....

Lots of people who dont play poker on the internet seriously mis understand how big an advantage you gain from playing in your reg games under an diff account. Its so huge and in the short term especially can cost thousands and thousands.

To put it into live poker context...

You're playing at DTD and the board is  after you've opened the button and Jason Herbert c/raises...seems like a decent spot to fold the  to me.

Now lets say this wasn't jason herbert, but Tom Middleton in a Jason Herbert costume...................

Thanks for creating an epic scooby doo reveal moment in my head dave!

He would have got away with it if it wasn't for those pesky internet kidz.

[jakally]

Seriously? Not with intent to deceive? Opening an account at a site where you're banned from playing, to play vs people you have tons of history with under a SN they wont recognize? Sounds very deceptive to me....

It has the result of being deceptive, but you don't know that deception was the reason for opening an account..... might have simply wanted to stay in the game.

There are a number people who post on BP who have more than 1 account on one of the main sites, but it is not automatically assumed that their prime motivation is deception.
In this instance, because it is Sorel Mizzi, he is guilty irrespective.

The evidence  against him, in the cheating at chinese poker incident is scant / non-existent.
Therefore, judgement is being made with reference to his previous behaviour.
That isn't completely unreasonable, as long as we take a balanced view, and not a one-eyed view, of the other alleged incidents.

[jakally]

Lots of people who dont play poker on the internet seriously mis understand how big an advantage you gain from playing in your reg games under an diff account. Its so huge and in the short term especially can cost thousands and thousands.

To put it into live poker context...

You're playing at DTD and the board is  after you've opened the button and Jason Herbert c/raises...seems like a decent spot to fold the  to me.

Now lets say this wasn't jason herbert, but Tom Middleton in a Jason Herbert costume...................

Thank you for explaining this to me. I will promise not to comment on online poker again, until I have tried it out for myself.

[GreekStein]

Lol <3 noel goblin and lol doyve

[Pab]

http://quadjacks.com/audio/12/john-racener-speaks

[claypole]

http://quadjacks.com/audio/12/john-racener-speaks

Sure know who my money would be on for telling the truth after that interview....and sure would be paying if flushy.  Racener sounds pretty straight up to me (cue how can you tell he sounds straight up lol)

[Karabiner]

I think the absolute key point is that Sorel was giving JR free %ages in tourneys to keep schtum.

[pleno1]

I think the absolute key point is that Sorel was giving JR free %ages in tourneys to keep schtum.

why?!?!

[outragous76]

if he could recover those texts it would be gg sorrel

[boldie]

Playing Devil's advocate;

"He wanted to go out to a nightclub and get drunk which is really scary".

Really? Going out is scary? Who are you, Justin Bieber?

"Wish I still had text messages"

Why the F would you delete these? I hardly ever delete my texts, maybe just about once every 3 or 4 months. But these important ones that back up your story you throw out? And some of them probably sent after SD "broke" the story on 2p2?

"I have no reason to lie about this"

Other than saving yourself some pennies or maybe you didn't like him "beating your head in"?

"Never even played with a joker, never even thought that we would, and I thought that was suspicious right away"

Hmm don't know about this. Don't know how unusual it is to play with a joker but if you've never played Chinese Poker with a joker before  and never even thought you would you must be pretty degen to do that for 5-10k flips. But there's nothing suspicious about playing with a joker and if you thought there was you could have just said no.

"First poker player I told was SD and he told me to tell everyone straight away".

Well SD does have a bit of a bug up his arse about Mizzi, no?

"When Missi said I was unsettled and did something that wasn't allowed he is misunderstanding."  "There's no way cheating that way."

Maybe someone that plays CP can clarify whether what Racener did that Mizzi had a problem with is allowed or not?

Was it just me or did the interviewer also not sound entirely convinced by everything?

I don't know how old Racener is or how clever he is but he sounded like a young and relatively naive kid that got caught underage drinking or something TBH.

/end being Devil's advocate.

[boldie]

I think the absolute key point is that Sorel was giving JR free %ages in tourneys to keep schtum.

why?!?!

This, and proof of this please.

[Karabiner]

I think the absolute key point is that Sorel was giving JR free %ages in tourneys to keep schtum.

why?!?!

This, and proof of this please.

So you think that Racener concocted this whole story then?

Fair enough, in that case he's completely bamboozled me.

[pleno1]

I think Racener has huge mental problems and Sorel is fully legit. The deleting of the texts is just laughable.

Paiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii him.

[boldie]

I think the absolute key point is that Sorel was giving JR free %ages in tourneys to keep schtum.

why?!?!

This, and proof of this please.

So you think that Racener concocted this whole story then?

Fair enough, in that case he's completely bamboozled me.

I don't really mate. Don't know what to think of this entire story TBF..it sounds pretty naff from all angles.

[gatso]

that interview certainly didn't do racener any favours. he sounds a bit crazy in it