AK Preflop decision 1/2 live cash

[cambridgealex]

First few hands of the session so not many reads.

Young Guy (£180) opens to £8, Middleaged man (bought in for 500, seen him c/r once and show A9o on Ahigh board), flats the £8, everyone folds maybe one more caller, don't remember.

We find  in the BB playing £350. Raise to £42.

Young guy then 4balls it to £102 with 78 back. Middleaged man casually flats, doesn't look at my stack or seem to regard me at all.

If we shove and lose to the first guy but beat the 2nd guy (who looks in no mood to fold his hand), we lose 140more to the young guy, and win 170 from the other guy.

Is this a clear cut decision one way? I think i've answered by own question by writing this out but go ahead and flame pls...

[SuuPRlim]

go all in. it might be closer than it seems but folding has the possibility to be a much larger mistake than getting it in can ever be

obv flatting is a disaster

[cambridgealex]

go all in. it might be closer than it seems but folding has the possibility to be a much larger mistake than getting it in can ever be

obv flatting is a disaster

yes flatting wasn't in my thought process at all. ok let's hear some more responses. the reveal for this one is good.

[Cf]

I'm happy to get it in. Don't really know enough about the players. But presumably the middleaged guy overvalues hands a bit based on A9 checkraise, and guessing he has some money to blow sitting that deep. So i'm happy we're ahead of him. Young guy can easily think you're squeezing or something. Yeah, get it in. I won't guess as to the hands though as you say "the reveal for this one is good" lol

[redarmi]

Urgh.....think I fold here against 90% of 1-2 players.  The flat caller would frighten me if I had any idea he was capable but he doesn't seem to be.  Deffo shove or fold but I think I would probably fold and hate my life when the raiser shows J9 or something and the flat caller has 77.....

[cambridgealex]

I'm happy to get it in. Don't really know enough about the players. But presumably the middleaged guy overvalues hands a bit based on A9 checkraise, and guessing he has some money to blow sitting that deep. So i'm happy we're ahead of him. Young guy can easily think you're squeezing or something. Yeah, get it in. I won't guess as to the hands though as you say "the reveal for this one is good" lol

I'm very happy we're ahead of the other guy. The young guy didn't look like an internet sicko or nething, I thought he was really strong.

When I say the reveal is good, I don't necessarily mean the hands, don't be influenced by that!

[Rupert]

is the old guy capable of flatting with QQ+/AK twice? is the young guy a chronic nit? ask yourself these questions before u 3 bet

[cambridgealex]

is the old guy capable of flatting with QQ+/AK twice? is the young guy a chronic nit? ask yourself these questions before u 3 bet

the old guy never has JJ+/AQ+ here, and never played with the young guy, doubt he's a chronic nit, but doesn't look like a internet wiz either. Assuming the old guy has a very wide range, and the young guy has a strong, but not necessarily narrow range (probably 77+ AT+ KQ+ nt sure how he'd play QJss or 78ss etc though), not 3betting here is surely a mistake?

[Rupert]

my assumptions were pretty much the same as yours, why haven't you jammed yet!

[cambridgealex]

my assumptions were pretty much the same as yours, why haven't you jammed yet!

what are we putting the young guy on when he 4bets to 102 leaving 78 behind? anything except AA and KK?

[pleno1]

i do a fold here as we are usually crushed/our blockers are removed and the other guy probably has a pair and calls it off.

I feel like the old guy had 99-qq/aq/ak alottttt, but obv he doesnt in this scenario.

[geeforce1]

jam, high 5 seat 1, punch him when ur drawing dead

[Rupert]

what are we putting the young guy on when he 4bets to 102 leaving 78 behind? anything except AA and KK?

well the standard get in range here is QQ+ AK and that's worst case.  haven't done the maths but pretty certain that we can get it in with overlay from the old guy and if you start including JJ and AQ or an overcall from the old boy then we are in fist pump territory

[pleno1]

we have to be 100% certain the old guyc alls though right

[Rupert]

no, he can put in £102 and fold thats fine by me