Live feeds and hole cards: Ethics and considerations

[JK]

Doesnt make it right if everyone is doing it. Just proves that delayed streaming is hugely detrimental for the game

I never said it was right, but why would you not do it if everyone else is? Pretty -EV IMO. I was there and I know for a fact there were people on that final table getting texts that werent their mum wishing them GL.

Alex left the table to go to the toilet and to speak to his rail. I honestly can remember maybe 1 occasion where he actually took his phone out.

Besides this, do you realise how many people in the WSOP main actually did exactly this? I dont see a topic about them? Haters gonna hate

[redarmi]

TBH both points of view are correct.  It is detrimental to the game in so far as that he can get an unfair advantage but he would also be a fool not to use it and cede that advantage to others.  It is a bit like HUD's in that whilst you can take that advantage you should but it makes the less savvy players losses bigger and when the fish lose their money quicker then it is bad for the overall game.

[kinboshi]

TBH both points of view are correct.  It is detrimental to the game in so far as that he can get an unfair advantage but he would also be a fool not to use it and cede that advantage to others.  It is a bit like HUD's in that whilst you can take that advantage you should but it makes the less savvy players losses bigger and when the fish lose their money quicker then it is bad for the overall game.

I agree with this, but it's not 'cheating' is it?  No rules have been broken, even if you don't like what he did.

[pleno1]

hole cards were good, amde it very interesting and I LOVED watching it.

It just adds another dynamic to the game which is fine.

[Mitch]

Does this mean i move 1 spot up the pay ladder?


SHIP!!!

[Dubai]

Doesnt make it right if everyone is doing it. Just proves that delayed streaming is hugely detrimental for the game

streaming hole cards is obv terrible for the game.  but theres no way i wouldn't be finding out hands from ppl watching dont believe its ''wrong'' to do in the slightest.  

If players actually refused to agree to ridiculous things like holecards being shown in streams then wouldnt have these problems. But in a poker sense its obviously wrong to know your opponents hole cards when he hasnt shown you etc, even tho the information is easily available- it doesnt make your actions wrong, it makes the whole process wrong

[cambridgealex]

yeh i didn't even read any of the messages till after anyways as we weren't allowed our phones out on the tv table (maybe for this exact reason).

the only time i was away from the table was chatting to my rail.

and went for a poo.

[Dubai]

hole cards were good, amde it very interesting and I LOVED watching it.

It just adds another dynamic to the game which is fine.

Players get paid nothing for providing entertainment. This isnt a sport where prizemoney is handed out! This is a game where you PAY to play and receive a dividend. Why should another dynamic be added? No-one is compensated for it

[smashedagain]

you played awesome Alex. Did you actually tweet this coz i never saw it Quote " Watch the stream and text me all significant hands / tendancies etc pls! Ty xxx ".
I saw you ask for information about players but never saw you tweet this. I always runn players i dont know through google etc and dont see that as doing anything wrong.

[SuuPRlim]

Op, post your name and why the fuck you care or GTFO imo

agree with dubai shouldnt show hole cards

agree with dave that id snap be fiinding out wtf everyone else is up to if i was in Alex's spot.

[dik9]

For everyone's information.

Our usual rule is no phones to be used whilst in a hand.

In this particular case regarding the live stream, after 25 minutes of play ALL players were told they were not allowed ANY communication devices at the table.

In whole everyone complied. No more than 7 times in the total time of the final did players leave the table to use their phones (that's 7 collectively in 8 hours) I don't believe Alex left the table at all to use his phone.

One player took his phone out of his pocket to look at it twice, as I was going to warn him he got knocked out.

It is impossible to control what happens during a break!

Saying that, Alex did talk to the rail a few times and I was aware that a couple of his rail were watching the Live feed in the VIP room ( at the same time as everyone else to make clear). No railers had any access to the actual live feed without the delay. Everyone had the same access as Alex's railers if they had a phone with flash or laptop in the club, so no advantage could be considered. I can't punish Alex for having a larger rail than everone else?

There was something that I was unhappy about during the attempted deal in the VIP that shouldn't have happened but as a deal wasn't made it wasn't serious and will speak to Alex when I see him next. lol

[JK]

Sick rubs from Richard. "I can't punish Alex for having a larger rail than everone else?"

Sorry for almost bounding through the table area when Alex was all in Rich, I managed to run from 32 to the feature table in about 3 strides, couldnt hit the brakes in time XD

[dik9]

Pmsl

[MC]

Op, post your name and why the fuck you care or GTFO imo

agree with dubai shouldnt show hole cards

agree with dave that id snap be fiinding out wtf everyone else is up to if i was in Alex's spot.

+1

[kinboshi]

For everyone's information.

Our usual rule is no phones to be used whilst in a hand.

In this particular case regarding the live stream, after 25 minutes of play ALL players were told they were not allowed ANY communication devices at the table.

In whole everyone complied. No more than 7 times in the total time of the final did players leave the table to use their phones (that's 7 collectively in 8 hours) I don't believe Alex left the table at all to use his phone.

One player took his phone out of his pocket to look at it twice, as I was going to warn him he got knocked out.

It is impossible to control what happens during a break!

Saying that, Alex did talk to the rail a few times and I was aware that a couple of his rail were watching the Live feed in the VIP room ( at the same time as everyone else to make clear). No railers had any access to the actual live feed without the delay. Everyone had the same access as Alex's railers if they had a phone with flash or laptop in the club, so no advantage could be considered. I can't punish Alex for having a larger rail than everone else?

There was something that I was unhappy about during the attempted deal in the VIP that shouldn't have happened but as a deal wasn't made it wasn't serious and will speak to Alex when I see him next. lol

So they weren't allowed phones at the table - but there was/is nothing in the rules that says they can't be on their phones/laptops/walkie talkies/fax machines during a break or away from the table?

Is there anything in the rules that covers talking to others away from the table about other players, either during the play (not during a hand obviously) or on a break?