Live feeds and hole cards: Ethics and considerations

[cambridgealex]

Sick rubs from Richard. "I can't punish Alex for having a larger rail than everone else?"

Sorry for almost bounding through the table area when Alex was all in Rich, I managed to run from 32 to the feature table in about 3 strides, couldnt hit the brakes in time XD

lol@both

jamie's an animal

[pleno1]

where in the rules does it say u cant use ipod/phone at table? it really keeps me composed hwen i play, i wouldnt be happy if i couldnt do what id dsone oin the tournamnet to get me there

[MANTIS01]

I agree that the process is terrible and DTD need to seriously consider whether they want to persist with this strategy. I might be an old-fashioned type of player but the way I see things is that you spend most of your time creating an image in a tournament and significantly less of the time trading off that image. The time you spend trading off your carefully crafted image is the most profitable thou. If another player has a mind to question that image they must put chips into the pot to see the proof of the pudding at showdown. If in fact players can be told for sure that you are actually opening light during the game then poker becomes a mockery. All your work goes down the drain. It also takes away a lot of the skill and perception of the game because you are getting free information that you shouldn't be entitled to. You should decide for yourself during a game what range to ascribe another player. That info should not just be handed to you for free.

Not saying anything about Alex and don't want to diminish his victory. WP sir. But the process is a farce imo.

[dik9]

So they weren't allowed phones at the table - but there was/is nothing in the rules that says they can't be on their phones/laptops/walkie talkies/fax machines during a break or away from the table? No, even if there was how could it be policed?

Is there anything in the rules that covers talking to others away from the table about other players, either during the play (not during a hand obviously) or on a break? See above answer lol

Poker rules are about ten years behind technology, with the exception of playing in a box with no spectators and being searched on entry for phones etc there will always be a possible technological advantage somewhere.

The main issue here is the live feed, surely this is great for the spectators and is something to be encouraged for the growth of poker? Precautions to try and avoid any possible misdemeanors are taken, apart from having the delay on the feed and no communication devices at the table, what else should be done?

 

[dik9]

I agree that the process is terrible and DTD need to seriously consider whether they want to persist with this strategy. I might be an old-fashioned type of player but the way I see things is that you spend most of your time creating an image in a tournament and significantly less of the time trading off that image. The time you spend trading off your carefully crafted image is the most profitable thou. If another player has a mind to question that image they must put chips into the pot to see the proof of the pudding at showdown. If in fact players can be told for sure that you are actually opening light during the game then poker becomes a mockery. All your work goes down the drain. It also takes away a lot of the skill and perception of the game because you are getting free information that you shouldn't be entitled to. You should decide for yourself during a game what range to ascribe another player. That info should not just be handed to you for free.

Not saying anything about Alex and don't want to diminish his victory. WP sir. But the process is a farce imo.

Are you saying that there should be no televised poker at all? Or updates for that matter?

[kinboshi]

So they weren't allowed phones at the table - but there was/is nothing in the rules that says they can't be on their phones/laptops/walkie talkies/fax machines during a break or away from the table? No, even if there was how could it be policed?

Is there anything in the rules that covers talking to others away from the table about other players, either during the play (not during a hand obviously) or on a break? See above answer lol

Poker rules are about ten years behind technology, with the exception of playing in a box with no spectators and being searched on entry for phones etc there will always be a possible technological advantage somewhere.

The main issue here is the live feed, surely this is great for the spectators and is something to be encouraged for the growth of poker? Precautions to try and avoid any possible misdemeanors are taken, apart from having the delay on the feed and no communication devices at the table, what else should be done?

 

I was just clarifying Rich, and I agree with what you've said.

Now can the OP please point out where Alex cheated, thanks.

[George2Loose]

I think live feed- Yes.

 With hole cards- No

[AndrewT]

So they weren't allowed phones at the table - but there was/is nothing in the rules that says they can't be on their phones/laptops/walkie talkies/fax machines during a break or away from the table? No, even if there was how could it be policed?

Is there anything in the rules that covers talking to others away from the table about other players, either during the play (not during a hand obviously) or on a break? See above answer lol

Poker rules are about ten years behind technology, with the exception of playing in a box with no spectators and being searched on entry for phones etc there will always be a possible technological advantage somewhere.

The main issue here is the live feed, surely this is great for the spectators and is something to be encouraged for the growth of poker? Precautions to try and avoid any possible misdemeanors are taken, apart from having the delay on the feed and no communication devices at the table, what else should be done?

Wasn't this exactly what happened with the WSOP final table Stuart Fox played in a year or two back? Players were locked in a black hole or something with no communication allowed.

[dik9]

Wasn't this exactly what happened with the WSOP final table Stuart Fox played in a year or two back? Players were locked in a black hole or something with no communication allowed.

In your opinion, Is this the direction poker should go in?

[kinboshi]

Wasn't this exactly what happened with the WSOP final table Stuart Fox played in a year or two back? Players were locked in a black hole or something with no communication allowed.

In your opinion, Is this the direction poker should go in?

Locking good players in a room sounds like a good idea to me.  Would give us other players a better chance

[gatso]

were phones banned on days 1 and 2 when there was a live feed?

[boldie]

Surely everyone can see that a live stream (or even slightly delayed stream) with holecards being shown is a ridic bad idea if it means that the players have access to the holecards? Doesn't matter whether that's when they are talking to the rail or sitting at the table.

[dik9]

were phones banned on days 1 and 2 when there was a live feed?

No feed on days 1a and b, but day 2 just had the usual restrictions i.e. no phones to be used during the hand, Wasn't so bad on day 2 as the feature table was changed every 2 hours max, and I believe the feed was about an hour behind. In hindsight though it should have been.

[millidonk]

New DTD sign?



I imagine next time Alex sits down to a nice warm rhubarb crumble he will be eating it with this....





I like the feed, means agoraphobics like me can join in the fun.

[George2Loose]

The feed was entertaining but would have been just as good without hole cards imo