An Ape and a notebook, how long will it take?

[pleno1]

http://weaktight.com/4833392

is a really bad stack off. when turn goes c/check and he shoves river its complete spew to call and you're never ever good.

also at small stakes

1) dont play hu, the rake is too big
2) 3betting a4s oop is going to be bad because they will defend too many aces because they don't understand game theory yet and they just think "oh im on the button a8 has to be ahead of his range" etc. Which is why we 3bet broadway cards so we can play vs a dominated range.

what do you mean tempted to c/shove river, why are you thinking like this. if you are playing HU its because he is  HUGE HUGE HUGE fish so why do you want to start getting fancy and turning top pair into a bluff?

http://weaktight.com/4833416

is really close, probably fold river vs his sizing, but why are you jamming? you basically just spewed 13bbs when he's never got a worse ace with the sizing.

http://weaktight.com/4833417 - no not pat on back

bigger on the flop, why so small? they aren't going to fold if they have something.
turn is a clear value bet, missing out so much value, why ever check back here we basically have the nuts.

what was the first thing I basically ever told you? if you have top pair at cheeseburger stakes keep betting until they raise and then fold.

[david3103]

 if you have top pair at cheeseburger stakes keep betting until they raise and then fold.

I think I need to print this out and stick it on the side of the screen

[jgcblack]

I think the 12 tables was because I was game selecting and had them all come up at once... and with me not skyping or facebooking and so on I thought I'd 'try' it for a few minutes.  Just meant I played a very robotic 18/13/6 game and tried to reinforce the comment above..

 if you have top pair at cheeseburger stakes keep betting until they raise and then fold.

I think I need to print this out and stick it on the side of the screen

This is so true but every now and then i find a spazzy guy doing something strange... 

My normal is playing 4 or 6 tables mate, like last night for example on 4 tables and waitlisted for 3 so i can game select better.

But TL900 will testify I said "oh we lost a couple of bi's in a row, think we might be @ stoploss soon"  Then had the  hand where I see your point but I'm not sure if he doesn't bluff here ever with the game flow and way he'd played over the small 150 hand sample.  I don't play hu after what you said previously about rake and fishness etc.  This is the first time in a while since I've played more than a few hands hu, normally its because its when someone's just left and before I've clicked the 'sit out' button.


http://weaktight.com/4833416

is really close, probably fold river vs his sizing, but why are you jamming? you basically just spewed 13bbs when he's never got a worse ace with the sizing.
If he has checked AJ/A10/ Ax here otf then i can definitely see him betting twice, I have NEVER seen someone take this line with AK.

got to get back... im on my phone mett..

[pleno1]

sizing is indicative of a polarized range.

[jgcblack]

sizing is indicative of a polarized range.

What range do you think the average cheeseburger stakes guy thinks is nutty to be in his value polarised hands?

AA/ AK/ AQ/ 88/ A8/ 89?

[pleno1]

sizing is indicative of a polarized range.

What range do you think the average cheeseburger stakes guy thinks is nutty to be in his value polarised hands?

AA/ AK/ AQ/ 88/ A8/ 89?

yeh looks good.

[jgcblack]

fair enough, spot looks gross if you think that's his only value range.  In game I definitely thought it would be much wider... when he checked flop and pot, potted I definitely thought his range was more bluff/ 8 heavy... as I just expect him to bet, bet, shove or bet, shove Ax's.

the QQ vs AA aipf is obv 50c but what do you think of the other QQ hand?

Guy raises cbet IP on J67cc, turn is 7 and he 3/4 pot's it... just so hard for him to have value except for 66 and folding to one combo when he must have Jxcc a decent % would be a mistake if i understand my equity properly??

[jgcblack]

Just bust some funnily fast bowl comp for £25 and had an avg of 12bb's throughout.  Really forgot what these are like, the strategy and players made me lol so hard it kept me awake.  So hard to imagine I was one of the absolute worst of these players for so long...

Managed to lose 99 vs AK aipf and the river provided, then spun up with AJ vs A2.. But unfortunately ran AQ into KK bb v btn..

[jgcblack]

I had written this yesterday but tried to submit @ 0015am but forgot about the server shutdown. Then today my PC restarted itself for updates, yay! 

I had a rough live session @ Grosvenor Porstmouth, even though I feel I played as good as I can for 95% of it.

Unfortunately I had the following hands where we did not do a win:-

- vs  on 972r

- BB vs  on     - we did a chop though....

Big one for all our discs
£1/1 sat 200 deep, been winning the entire time... recently lost a couple of small pots, nothing special.  Now down to £160
Chinese aggro Reg-fish comes to the table and sits with a full stack, then proceeds to barrell his first hand..  ... with  check calling down and winning.

an orbit or so later he limps UTG and it gets anotherr  couple of limps from late position, small blind checks his option and we find dem  's..  I have to 'squeeze', make it £11 and because I've had large raise sizes the whole time this doesn't look too big to anyone.  Chinese guy then makes it 40 and I'm 100% he hasn't got AA here from live reads... I'm sure he's paired or Ax, which is perfect when we got dem KK's because we don't have blockers and I weight him mostly with AJ-AK.  As such I don't think I'm ever going to get him to stack off light preflop, in my experience he will just fold to further preflop aggression without an aggressive dynamic with me.

I decide to flat and check call down a good looking board, figuring he will never think I have QQ+/AK when i flat OOP.

FLOP  (POT £85)
 

Pretty good flop I'm thinking.. If he somehow has a pair he won't hate the J, he could often have one himself and he's almost certainly not folding or slowing down if he does have one.  Luckily for me I don't have the  which also expands his range even more if he ever slows down on scary turns (he can easily bomb Xs turns more often).

I check and he slides out a bet of 55, I take my time and errr, ummm.... slide out a call doing my best "I'm not doing anything wrong, avoiding eye contact let me hit my 'hand' face" (with the full intention of not folding any turn card, only thinking about it on a J or A).

TURN  (POT £195)
   or similar, its a small spade anyhow.

I take some time and make it look like i might bet then check (trying to induce the 'fu shove') and he snap shoves.  I've called before he even gets his in and he says "oh, you've got a flush?"  I'm like, no mate... what do you have...

RIVER (POT £400ish i think, I covered and had 35 left)
   or similar brick

And he tables the mighty  with an "of course I've got JJ face...."


I flash my KK and sigh for a second as I shrug it off and watch Alex at the other end (the only reg - seemed solid) almost puke into his own mouth.


Meh.. feel like I played great... Managed to get my last £35 in on Qx77xr with AJo vs 77 vs mystery hand that reshipped river into the quads - wp sir.


Looking forward to having a roll for live if this is how I play now, I really dominated the table, making Alex avoid me left right and centre and I don't remember making any cbets or barrelling at all in bad spots.
Happy Days, winning is for those pussies who play well and lady luck likes.... the really good guys play sick and still lose!

[jgcblack]

Sucks that i did a sweat session with Grant today and neither of us could find a win..

Ran QQ in to JJ and won pre, then next hand QQ into AA for a loss... sigh @ getting excited.

Then some consistent 2nd best hand syndrome, but didn't make too many mistakes.

Did make one mistake with top2 on turn vs nut straight which sucked, unfortunately we were having a decent discussion on chat at the time and i didn't pay 100% attention.


tomorrow then..

will get there eventually.

[jgcblack]

Just had the most horrible session of 25nl, smashed stop loss and we're back to 10nl.

So for the rest of the day I'll be mostly playing Diablo3, since I can win @ that game.


I'll post some hands here for the 'fun'....

- http://wt.ag/LQXZmb
Flop and turn are for value.. but this guy is a reg and i know on this river he cannot have many value hands that can withstand a raise, he will be folding 9x for sure.
Shame he has only one of four or five hands that can call.  (i know its not great though)

- http://wt.ag/NoO5DI
genuinely not sure about this, as its vs a 45/35 over 150 hands so I think that should make it ok... got to be close though, and since in the equity exercise I always had more equity than I thought, if i think its close but good then it could be 10-20%+ve good...

- http://wt.ag/LQYpc1
literally last hand of session and I'm sat there going 'this could be fun, can we lose this one as well'.  I check back turn to rep weak sdv/ draw hand and most miss that river.  I fully expect this guy to bluff/ vbet this river 100%, shame it went like this.

- http://wt.ag/NoOmqh
This is so gross, I'm not kidding when I saw i think ive had ilke 5 of these where I have either top two or top and third pair.. on drawy A high boards, and EVERY single time 'they' have had 'it' instead of one of the 20 or so value hands/ semi-bluff hands we beat.... has to be a variance issue......

- http://wt.ag/NoOtCj
I know i'll get flamed for this but this villain 'thisisnotmeth' was playing super aggro... I don't know if he was experimenting or it was sample size but I've just PTR'd him and I'm super suprised to see he is 'tight aggro' because over a coupla hundred hands with me and a few tables, he was not.  With that info this may be terrible but from the hands I saw i was happy with 88 aipf.

- http://wt.ag/NoOPc4
its rare for a cold 4bt spot to come up but in my limited experience they are almost never going to get in JJ/QQ if i reraise pre.  obv standard 50c hand.

- http://wt.ag/NoP1I7
I dont do this kinda thing anywhere near as much as i used to.. but with As in my hand he cant have cc the nut draw.. so I thought this was a good spot to make him fold any one pair hand.  This guy is kinda reggy and i didnt expect him to have any fd no pair here...

- http://wt.ag/LQZfWl
joke... utter and simply... he hit his out and still couldnt get the monies in, wp sir. (i did put something else here but in the interest of trying to be a nice guy i changed it)

- http://wt.ag/NoPhqx
this guy has shoved Qx and K7o vs me pre therefore KQ is a mandatory get in.

- http://wt.ag/LQZwIX
IT does happen apparently.... This is literally the first time in weeks i remember this happening.  WHERE ARE THESE PEOPLE?

- http://wt.ag/NoPk5Q
he made top pair again..... ul.

- http://wt.ag/NoPytH
this sucks that this is how i have to win.. i hated it at the time was folding any river bet..



All in all, not a great session, didn't do much winning so i need to work on my showdown techniques.  I realise that maybe $50-70 could be argued as unnecessary/ horrible.  Back to 10nl then.

[pleno1]

havn't looked yet, red will = bad/spew, normal = fine/std

http://weaktight.com/4845260

complete and utter spew, just burning money, better hands than 1010 wont fold.

http://weaktight.com/4845264

wte, fine

http://weaktight.com/4845270

turn is really really really bad, we have kings, bet for value. as we have told you a million times, when you have a value hand keep betting, when they raise, fold. simples. just 4b pre flop

http://weaktight.com/4845273

seems fine

http://weaktight.com/4845279

WTF?!?!?!?!?!?!?! just burned 25$


http://weaktight.com/4845289

JUST DONT FUCKING DO THIS!!!!!!!! ITS COMPLETE SPEW, AGAIN.. RAISE WHEN YOU HAVE GOOD HANDS, YOU HAVE THE NUTS HERE, RAISE!


http://weaktight.com/4845292

dont like it if you want him to fold underpairs then do it on the flop, he isn't folding 10x on the turn/river.

http://weaktight.com/4845300

turn is a fold

http://weaktight.com/4845304

huh wtf, you have kq?

http://weaktight.com/4845312

bigger on river in long termur losing alot of value out of qx, it is NEVER folding and its the main part of the range we're targetting.

http://weaktight.com/4845307

HALLELUJAH, perfect. exactly what i want to see.

[cambridgealex]

Always love JB HHs that proceed with disclaimers such as "I never usually do this but." or "I know I'll get flamed for this but".

[david3103]

Did you use the Jiminy Cricket gif as a deliberate reference Alex?

"when you meet temptation and the urge is very strong
Give a little whistle"

[jgcblack]

havn't looked yet, red will = bad/spew, normal = fine/std

http://weaktight.com/4845260

complete and utter spew, just burning money, better hands than 1010 wont fold.
can you not even see my point? he will be folding EVERYTHING here as a reg... snap folding AA and sigh folding 9x

http://weaktight.com/4845264

wte, fine

http://weaktight.com/4845270

turn is really really really bad, we have kings, bet for value. as we have told you a million times, when you have a value hand keep betting, when they raise, fold. simples. just 4b pre flop
Need to let him bluff it off some % of the time.. he will stack off with Qx just as easily on the river.. but we lost ALL of his bluffs if we shove turn.

http://weaktight.com/4845273

seems fine

http://weaktight.com/4845279

WTF?!?!?!?!?!?!?! just burned 25$
I told you the guy was super active over multiple tables over a 150/200 hand sample.. and I'd seem him be super aggressive with AJ/AQ and AK.. therefore 88 will never be monstrously bad, and with the shorties extra $15 we're now payed so much to get it in vs his range.

http://weaktight.com/4845289

JUST DONT FUCKING DO THIS!!!!!!!! ITS COMPLETE SPEW, AGAIN.. RAISE WHEN YOU HAVE GOOD HANDS, YOU HAVE THE NUTS HERE, RAISE!

The guy had a 3% 3bt but he will be FOLDING a lot to a cold 4bt.  He's just not going to get in 100bb pre here with JJ to a cold 4bt from me playing 11/10/3.  Either way, loosing KK to AA can't be considered a bad play, esp with this board. - unless im missing something?

http://weaktight.com/4845292

dont like it if you want him to fold underpairs then do it on the flop, he isn't folding 10x on the turn/river.
I don't think you're being fair about his range...  He just can't have anything that can call this anywhere near enough.  I'm sticking behind this as a solid and effective bluff vs a range that consists of 10x AT BEST some % of the time, but rarely better.  I didn't think a reg would cc fd on the turn, turns out im wrong. either way when I've got the  he can't even be good all the time.

http://weaktight.com/4845300

turn is a fold
Agree

http://weaktight.com/4845304

huh wtf, you have kq?
Did you not read my reasoning.. the guys a bad shortstacker, jamming any Q and any K, we have both.. its a manditory call.

http://weaktight.com/4845312

bigger on river in long term ur losing alot of value out of qx, it is NEVER folding and its the main part of the range we're targetting.
This is the first time in a LONG LONG LONG time I've seen someone cc down with one pair.. I need to bet less on the river to widen his calling range.

http://weaktight.com/4845307

HALLELUJAH, perfect. exactly what i want to see.
I can only play perfectly vs an opponent when I know how they react to decisions.