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« Reply #3000 on: February 20, 2013, 12:04:10 AM »

Good post Alex. Just think sometimes people need to see the grass isn't greener rather than being told
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« Reply #3001 on: February 20, 2013, 12:10:45 AM »

yeh you're right.  i had advice from parents, friends, even Neil Channing told me not to quit uni -all the advice in the world wasn't going to change my mind - i had to give it a go.
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« Reply #3002 on: February 20, 2013, 12:58:16 AM »

It's all about the downswings. As soon as you have an edge in gambling whether its laying or pro punting or being a better poker player than most of your opponents then you have an advantage. It is however quite small relatively to your roll.

You will have huge downswings at one time or another. Its all about still making the correct decisions while you are having one that sorts the wheat from the chaff. Variance will always come and kick you up the butt. Poker is much more suited to dipping in and out of as a means of relaxation or having a spin up. I look at some of the "pros" who grind live cash every night in casinos and just feel sorry for them.

Online grinders. Well that's just a joke. Surely there are easier ways to make 20/30k a year? And healthier livings too.

You have a perfect spot now surely JB? Decent job with travelling and able to dip your toe in the poker world when you want. Yet you don't need to worry about having a bad run at the tables too much.

I would recommend trying to bink a ukipt or even an ept but your game seem more suited to cash.
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« Reply #3003 on: February 20, 2013, 01:37:30 AM »

It's all about the downswings. As soon as you have an edge in gambling whether its laying or pro punting or being a better poker player than most of your opponents then you have an advantage. It is however quite small relatively to your roll.

You will have huge downswings at one time or another. Its all about still making the correct decisions while you are having one that sorts the wheat from the chaff. Variance will always come and kick you up the butt. Poker is much more suited to dipping in and out of as a means of relaxation or having a spin up. I look at some of the "pros" who grind live cash every night in casinos and just feel sorry for them.

Online grinders. Well that's just a joke. Surely there are easier ways to make 20/30k a year? And healthier livings too.

You have a perfect spot now surely JB? Decent job with travelling and able to dip your toe in the poker world when you want. Yet you don't need to worry about having a bad run at the tables too much.

I would recommend trying to bink a ukipt or even an ept but your game seem more suited to cash.

Thanks, great post and well put.

My setup is definitely well worked for dipping my toe everywhere, even to the point where I can take overtime from overseas trips as time off.. If I did that id have four weeks leave for every 3weeks away.

This could lead to me getting a salary and only working around half the year.... That's an idea in itself. I could take a couple of 3-4weekers during the year and be a 'pro' during this time.

Im by no means going to ever snap do this.. And it scares the life outa me to consider it.  But I am playing better, winning more and I enjoy the whole thing as far as I can see.

Biggest worry is how would I play when I HAVE to win?  Losing now, I could just stop and get the same advice from family and non-poker friends "haven't you given it up yet? Its a mugs game!"

My game has been engineered toward cash poker for the last 14months, I enjoy the intricacies of it... And I'm lucky to know a couple of 'pros' that im able to talk to/ ask about it.

One said "dont be ridiculous, why would you give up your job? a horrible way to earn money"
As we skyped from Costa Rica, he'd just finished grinding the prime euro some 'time' and it was time for him to go out for the evening with his girlfriend.... Sounds horrid. Cheesy

But he also told me when he was in a massive hole, couldn't win, couldn't see the end... And even bumhunting wasn't going well.

I understand its a tough way to make an easy buck.  The frustrating thing is that im travelong more BECAUSE im doing better at work.  But now that's stopping me playing dtd500's or ukipt's or gps's and the juicy games around them.

I respect all of the advice on here and appreciate it, pleno is one of the first people I will be talking to, if I think about this with any intent.

Need to head home to pack and catch my ridiculous taxi... Going to be mega pissed if I miss the main flight as the mini first one only has an hour or so to transfer, last time the airline made me miss it.
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« Reply #3004 on: February 20, 2013, 02:02:56 AM »

Yeh, just see how things go, You might have a completely different outlook months down the line. Ideally you want big winning samples at 50nl/100nl ,have a pretty decent sized roll, which will minimise pressure when things dont go well and if poss a separate life roll for teh hookers and blow etcetc. I agree with Pleno but i think if u really wanted to give it a go, you dont want to regret never going for it.
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« Reply #3005 on: February 20, 2013, 02:59:38 AM »

Yeh, just see how things go, You might have a completely different outlook months down the line. Ideally you want big winning samples at 50nl/100nl ,have a pretty decent sized roll, which will minimise pressure when things dont go well and if poss a separate life roll for teh hookers and blow etcetc. I agree with Pleno but i think if u really wanted to give it a go, you dont want to regret never going for it.

Thanks...

there's a whole host of different ways I could make poker have a different role in my life.  Or just keep going as I am, building, moving up and if I can get to a 100/200nl level and make some money from it.. then keep doing that + go to vegas and enjoy the game!

If I ever got into a biggie and managed some kind of Moon-esque bink then I could consider silly things like this.

Until then the hedge is being trimmed and kept in my own garden.  Only take the insane bonsai with me to london...
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« Reply #3006 on: February 20, 2013, 03:58:23 AM »

Go to Vegas because it is fucking awesome and pretty much a dream for every young single bloke to indulge his vices. Oh yeah you can grind the pokers there.

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« Reply #3007 on: February 21, 2013, 03:11:15 AM »

Go to Vegas because it is fucking awesome and pretty much a dream for every young single bloke to indulge his vices. Oh yeah you can grind the pokers there.



sounds like a plan...

I've arrived!

And I've been successfully whooshed, the like of which I don't think has ever happened to anyone before.


I've been here before, I've played $1/2 here before, I have a photo of the casino on my phone because I had such a laugh there....

However, the country had a refurrendum in the last 18 months and gambling is now illegal.
There are no casinos, anywhere.

And I have 3.5 weeks of........ well lets just hope pokerstars fires up here.


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« Reply #3008 on: February 21, 2013, 03:24:44 AM »

Sigh thread is dead for the time being then!
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« Reply #3009 on: February 21, 2013, 03:29:37 AM »

Sigh thread is dead for the time being then!


not quite, stars loads!

time to work through 25nl!

50nl in 3 weeks???


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« Reply #3010 on: February 21, 2013, 05:47:04 AM »

Ran into a whole bunch of 'meh' spots tonight..

3 or 4 times I cold 4balled KK from SB or BB and got Axx and 3 or 4 way each time.  So I just check folded.  Sighhh.....
Only one that didn't was vs a fishy massive stack (500bb+) who had QQ and it came Qxx, he turned quads. Cheesy nice life

Had one hand where I binked nicely.... KK vs 55 on 5676K Cheesy

But definitely didn't spew or blowup for any big pots.. biggest 'spew' would be raise/4bt/fold AQo vs a splashy guy who 3bt/5shove 3 way.  #goodbluff


I had a lot of hands that involved a raise pre + shutdown.. or cbet, barell a decent turn and give up..



I'm watching some pretty tacky 'dance movie' called Honey2.. it was just on some movie channel and at the start looked like it wouldn't be completely horrid.
[X] its not great.. no 'step up'. Cheesy
There's a couple of tasty girls, i genuinely miss salsa and dancing.. might have to get back on it once a week! It's so much fun!

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« Reply #3011 on: February 21, 2013, 08:28:16 AM »

I've made 3/4 25nl videos that are for free of you want to watch...
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« Reply #3012 on: February 21, 2013, 09:02:39 AM »

Pads as you move up the levels your game has to change and develop to be able to beat these games.

At what point does basic poker theory of starting with good cards & making big hands get paid change and more advanced strategies need to be applied to make money..... People keep telling John to crush 10nl with basic stuff but generally say that 100nl is a very decent level and hard to beat so assume you have to do some of the stuff John is trying out at the lower limits.

Also would training videos about one level made 12 months ago still be relevant today in the fast moving world of poker or as the standard is getting better and better this filters down the levels and we might be able to say to beat a certain level today you would have to look at old training videos a couple of levels above.

Lots to answer but would appreciate the time taken
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« Reply #3013 on: February 21, 2013, 12:34:59 PM »

I've made 3/4 25nl videos that are for free of you want to watch...


sweet, link?
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« Reply #3014 on: February 21, 2013, 07:00:51 PM »



But definitely didn't spew or blowup for any big pots.. biggest 'spew' would be raise/4bt/fold AQo vs a splashy guy who 3bt/5shove 3 way.  #goodbluff


If he was  a splashy player don't you think AQ is too good of a hand to fold pre? should you be bluffing this against him?
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Pads as you move up the levels your game has to change and develop to be able to beat these games.

At what point does basic poker theory of starting with good cards & making big hands get paid change and more advanced strategies need to be applied to make money..... People keep telling John to crush 10nl with basic stuff but generally say that 100nl is a very decent level and hard to beat so assume you have to do some of the stuff John is trying out at the lower limits.

Also would training videos about one level made 12 months ago still be relevant today in the fast moving world of poker or as the standard is getting better and better this filters down the levels and we might be able to say to beat a certain level today you would have to look at old training videos a couple of levels above.

Lots to answer but would appreciate the time taken

From my experience as you move up the things that change are that there's less fish willing to hand you their money and more regs. And obv regs are slightly better. Thjere isn't that much of a difference though so I still think you should be playing similar in games if you're mixing stakes. If you're beating 10nl well you should beat 25nl(also try 16nl its amazing) and if youre beating 25nl you can be beating 50nl.

The level of play definitely filters down through the stakes. I've not watched many videos at all but I still think its all valuable info if you watch them. And shouldn't think that you shouldn't be watching higher stakes videos if you're playing a bit lower than the stakes the video maker is playing as knowing the info before everyone else figures it out will be very valuable.

Not sure I really answered your questions but there's some relevance there anyway :p
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