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[buzzharvey22]

i thought CP were robbed, they just couldnt put ball in back of net
sunderland scored due to a total brainfart by the palace defence

I thought Palace created fuck all and Zaha's final product is shocking.

[Ant040689]

Palace should have played the ball on the deck from the wing more into the middle. Really did look poor because we were one dimensional with poor cross after poor cross. They probably looked the more likely to score as they had a lot more space in behind than we did when they had the chance. Hennessey looked the cause of their goal, I would say he shouted that it was his ball to Dann early doors causing Dann to try and shield. With Hennessey not getting involved at all Dann deals with it easily imo. We really do have three mediocre keepers at Palace.

My head said back against Palace tonight or at the least go unders, but I just wasn't sure enough. If we nicked a goal early doors the goals could have flown in. Easy in hindsight.

But for future betting spots, Palace at home to a side that will sit deep against them, with Palace as clear favourites, it might not be too bad an idea to back against them. Saying that we dealt with WBA recently, but struck our first quite late on into the second half and they posed no attacking threat whatsoever.

[pleno1]

What do you think about 100/1 to get relegated Ant? Pardew is a terrible offensive coach, his teams play awfully and get found out very early. If he's still there next year then laying them at the start of the season seems good too.


I haven't seen that much so far, how has Cabaye done?

[Ant040689]

What do you think about 100/1 to get relegated Ant? Pardew is a terrible offensive coach, his teams play awfully and get found out very early. If he's still there next year then laying them at the start of the season seems good too.


I haven't seen that much so far, how has Cabaye done?

Offensively I haven't faulted Pardew much with Palace, he has got good results, granted mostly away from home and playing a rigid counter attacking style. When it comes to breaking teams down, perhaps he runs out of ideas.

Cabaye has generally done superbly this season. Suprisingly great as a defensive midfielder and not bad into the crunching tackle. Less apparent tonight as we were not under the cosh and most of the team looked out of sorts trying to acclimatise to having possession of the ball, which we rarely have most of in a game.

100/1 on Palace relegation. I don't know. At the odds its tough for anything not to be value but I would say very unlikely considering our impressive defence. Tonight for example should have been a clean sheet and at least a point. Against similar opposition at home I assume eventually we will learn to see out the clean sheet, and perhaps nick the games by the odd goal.

Palace were hampered on the wings tonight which is our strength, we need to play down the middle more and I think we will find things a lot easier in similar games if we did this.

Newcastle next week looks like a possible betting opportunity, Palace currently very short at 1.76 at home to Newcastle, and unless we change up strategy, we will struggle against them too if they sit back.

[arbboy]

I am amazed to see Palace are in for 51 points with Spin for the season.  Stoke are in for 47.  Both currently have 19 points from 13 games.  Can't have it that Palace are a better team than Stoke with their respective squads never mind by that big a margin.  Palace look a rock solid lay to me odds on to finish in the top 10 this year.

I will happily take 2/1 Stoke in a match bet with Palace over the season if anyone is interested.

bf sportsbook are arbing with their own exchange on this which is quite comical.  They are 10/11 palace to top 10 in SB and people are asking for 4/5 on the exchange.

[TheDazzler]

What do you think about 100/1 to get relegated Ant? Pardew is a terrible offensive coach, his teams play awfully and get found out very early. If he's still there next year then laying them at the start of the season seems good too.


I haven't seen that much so far, how has Cabaye done?

Offensively I haven't faulted Pardew much with Palace, he has got good results, granted mostly away from home and playing a rigid counter attacking style. When it comes to breaking teams down, perhaps he runs out of ideas.

Cabaye has generally done superbly this season. Suprisingly great as a defensive midfielder and not bad into the crunching tackle. Less apparent tonight as we were not under the cosh and most of the team looked out of sorts trying to acclimatise to having possession of the ball, which we rarely have most of in a game.

100/1 on Palace relegation. I don't know. At the odds its tough for anything not to be value but I would say very unlikely considering our impressive defence. Tonight for example should have been a clean sheet and at least a point. Against similar opposition at home I assume eventually we will learn to see out the clean sheet, and perhaps nick the games by the odd goal.

Palace were hampered on the wings tonight which is our strength, we need to play down the middle more and I think we will find things a lot easier in similar games if we did this.

Newcastle next week looks like a possible betting opportunity, Palace currently very short at 1.76 at home to Newcastle, and unless we change up strategy, we will struggle against them too if they sit back.

Palaces problem imo, if they have one, is a striker capable of scoring 20 goals a season. Who do you see as your best striker when all fit, Ant?
Obviously you can get away with that if the midfield is all contributing a few but I don't really see that with Palace. Cabaye is top scorer with 4 and 3 of those have been pens. You've gotten 5 from defence (Ward 2, Dann 2 and Delaney 1). Puncheon normally weighs in with a few but he hasn't gotten any this year and was hooked at half time today.
I got to say, 100/1 doesn't look a bad shout.

[Chompy]

I am amazed to see Palace are in for 51 points with Spin for the season.  Stoke are in for 47.  Both currently have 19 points from 13 games.  Can't have it that Palace are a better team than Stoke with their respective squads never mind by that big a margin.  Palace look a rock solid lay to me odds on to finish in the top 10 this year.

I will happily take 2/1 Stoke in a match bet with Palace over the season if anyone is interested.

bf sportsbook are arbing with their own exchange on this which is quite comical.  They are 10/11 palace to top 10 in SB and people are asking for 4/5 on the exchange.

Interesting match bet arb. Obv no good for TfT, as Scuy are the only ones doing seasonal match bets for every team v every other team in all leagues, but 15-8 seems deece.

[arbboy]

I am amazed to see Palace are in for 51 points with Spin for the season.  Stoke are in for 47.  Both currently have 19 points from 13 games.  Can't have it that Palace are a better team than Stoke with their respective squads never mind by that big a margin.  Palace look a rock solid lay to me odds on to finish in the top 10 this year.

I will happily take 2/1 Stoke in a match bet with Palace over the season if anyone is interested.

bf sportsbook are arbing with their own exchange on this which is quite comical.  They are 10/11 palace to top 10 in SB and people are asking for 4/5 on the exchange.

Interesting match bet arb. Obv no good for TfT, as Scuy are the only ones doing seasonal match bets for every team v every other team in all leagues, but 15-8 seems deece.

Weird where they get those prices from.  I assumed they would be directly linked to SPIN season points quotes but they are quite different.  They must have their own season points database i assume to grind out that many matchbets.  Must be automated.

[pleno1]

so, teams below palace

These are teams I see as "less likely"

Stoke - as Arb said, i see them as stronger than palace
West Brom - 2 points below Palace and look good, are currently 10/1! Palace are 100/1!!
Swansea - currently 6/1, if anybody wants to give me 150/1 on Palace I'll give you 25/1 on Swansea, they currently 5 points behind
Chelsea - obviously wont go down..


So that leaves the teams who are "more likely"

Bournemouth
Sunderland
Newcastle
Norwich
Villa
Watford

I think whilst there are positives for all teams to do well and recover, I think surely must be value in Palace at 100/1 if Swansea are 6/1 and WBA 10/1, or maybe the value is to lay WBA/SWANSEA going down?

I'm possibly a Pardew hater, but I really, really doubt him and once his teams get found out he does poorly. A couple of critical injuries in Palace defense and they will quickly drop down the table IMO.

[Chompy]

5-4 Palace to finish in the bottom half more realistic?

[pleno1]

5-4 Palace to finish in the bottom half more realistic?

Man United
Arsenal
Liverpool
City
Everton
Southampton
Leicster
Chelsea
Tottenham

Then we need 1 of the following

Stoke
West Ham
Swansea
WBA


Lets fucking lump boys

[arbboy]

People are asking for 4/5 palace top 10 on bf so you can prob lay shorter and get circa 11/8 palace to bottom half.  I keep looking at Palace's team player for player and they are not on the same level as Stoke imo.  Appreciate i am biased somewhat but which Palace players are sailing into Stoke's first eleven?

I have laid WBA large already to go down.  They still look an amazing lay to go down to me at the prices.  Thin i know but i managed to get 2/7 Stoke to stay up a few weeks ago.  Stoke have been under rated all season.  All this nonsense about their 'slow start' was comical.  They played 4 of the big 6 first 6 games and were playing WBA at home with 9 men for over an hour and only lost 1-0.  Without that freak show of red cards Stoke are sitting in the top 6 right now.

[pleno1]

anybody wanna lay me 3300/2400 on the palace bet?

[arbboy]

One for Dung really on the spreads.  I am not a spread fan but i see very very little downside in buying stoke's points at 47.5.  They have them in for 28 points in the remaining 25 games?  40 points over a season?  Really? Remaining strength of schedule is probably slightly above average (we got to still play Manure/Man City/Everton home and away) but we have 7 away games completed and only 6 at home to counter that somewhat.

[Ant040689]

 Crystal Palace 0-1 Sunderland
 Liverpool 1-2 Crystal Palace
 Crystal Palace 0-0 Man Utd
Leicester 1-0 Crystal Palace
 Crystal Palace 1-3 West Ham
 Crystal Palace 2-0 West Brom
Watford 0-1 Crystal Palace
 Tottenham 1-0 Crystal Palace
Crystal Palace 0-1 Man City
Chelsea 1-2 Crystal Palace
Crystal Palace 2-1 Aston Villa
 Crystal Palace 1-2 Arsenal
Norwich 1-3 Crystal Palace

Put up the results just so it is easier for me to assess it and basically reminds me of what I have thought. Palace are a leveling side generally, quite incapable of putting teams to the sword and hardly ever have it happen to them.

We struggle for a goalscorer Dazzler for sure. We haven't had a target man linking up front for the majority of those games which may have been the key to making some scores bigger or negative results turn to positive ones.

Puncheon looks like he might be past it somewhat. He really has not played well at all this season, loses the ball easier, not a potent threat with shots anymore and looks a shadow of his former self. There is a major source of goals dried up right there.

All of the above games could have turned out differently, but i would say generally Palace have been running about down the middle luck wise, so the results offer a good insight in terms of point return.

There is a certain sense of unkowing of how Wickham will fit into this side and if he can get some form going with us. I was disappointed with his hold up play tonight and general presence. I don't think he got fed into feet enough to try and bulldoze a way through, but from some of his touches he may be a bit of an oaf which i hope he is not!

Ultimately I think with Wickham settling into the side you may see more cohesion up front. I don't think the game tonight is a good representation of what we are about generally though and in ways Wickham's first start in a while was incredibly tough because of it. The game before this we looked impressive away to Liverpool just showing what we are capable of. Also Villa and WBA both set up to defend at Selhurst and Palace got wins in both. Tonight could well have been a rare off day.

Onto the 100/1 it probably is value in comparison to the other prices but I just don't see us capitulating. I think Pardew will refresh his approach in games against those who sit back like Sunderland did and we will be fine. Against teams that have sat back less which is generally most other games, Palace have competed well. On your points Pleno that Pardew may get found out...(*edit, failed to complete sentence as i added it in randomly and then forgot*) he has adopted a team that has known a certain way of playing under Pulis and Pardew has not changed it fundamentally yet in basically the whole year he has been manager to great success. I don't see him uprooting much either but he could with a prolonged iffy spell, which he hasn't had yet tbf and it will be interesting to see how he reacts to a bad spell.

On the no striker scoring or contributing in an assist in the 13 games, I think it is a concern but I think Wickham should become a presence for us in more open games. Maybe not emphatic, but in the least opening up more space for our midfielders to be more in the goals. It has meant Palace are no.1 in scoring from set pieces for goals, which is great and perhaps worrying in our reliance on them, but our resoluteness comes through in that we are no.1 in defending them too.

On the 5/4 for lower half. I don't like it at the moment. It doesn't scream value imo, and this is now a team where Chamakh who was a key player for us when fit could slip into the number 10 role Puncheon will now probably vacate and Wickham is now getting used to the target man role, two potentially huge players for us, that we have done this well this season basically without.

Tonight's game was dire for Palace. We looked awful and quite rightly some of you may be thinking there is value in backing against us in some of these season longs, but i really don't think it is representative.

Jury is still out on them from me though, I have not been completely comfortable at all with us. I mean how can a striker not assist or score in 13 games. If Wickham is not the answer and I should be able to see signs of that shortly then I may have a different POV. Also I think it shows just how good Palace may be. We can get results without a striker basically, imagine, perhaps, what we would be like with one.

Also I think it is quite sad that Palace are relying on Wickham to be a saviour of sorts and couldn't secure the services of a more prolific target man. I think Austin did a number on us in the summer as we would not have sold Murray imo unless we thought he was in the bag and I would imagine that if Murray had stayed while Wickham was injured he would comfortably be our top goalscorer, we would be more comfortable in link up play and we could easily be in a higher position.