Tips for Tikay

[exstream]

He said it ages ago and the price was a lot bigger than it is now

[rinswun]

Palace are very nearly favourties to win at old trafford on sunday

https://www.oddschecker.com/football/english/premier-league/man-utd-v-crystal-palace/winner

United will finish 6th and obviously team selection will be with the Ajax game in mind.

Palace can climb 3 or drop 4 places depending on results, with +/- prize money implications if they lose

bearing in mind the one off circumstances of this game and motivations, what do we think about these unusual odds?

Mourinho said he would be making "massive changes" in this game when they made it to the final. I have no idea what Palace will do, what side they'll put out or how much effort they'll put in. Personally I wouldn't go for a team away at Old Trafford regardless of the line up, he changed a lot for Southampton in the week and bored the world to death. Will probably be more changes but I wouldn't be shocked if it was 0-0.

I know there's a few who have tipped Palace a lot this year and done well though

I think it'll end up being similar to one of those Football League trophy games. United u23s plus three first teamed vs a Palace team made up of half first team starters and half fringe players.

[Ant040689]

Palace are very nearly favourties to win at old trafford on sunday

https://www.oddschecker.com/football/english/premier-league/man-utd-v-crystal-palace/winner

United will finish 6th and obviously team selection will be with the Ajax game in mind.

Palace can climb 3 or drop 4 places depending on results, with +/- prize money implications if they lose

bearing in mind the one off circumstances of this game and motivations, what do we think about these unusual odds?

Mourinho said he would be making "massive changes" in this game when they made it to the final. I have no idea what Palace will do, what side they'll put out or how much effort they'll put in. Personally I wouldn't go for a team away at Old Trafford regardless of the line up, he changed a lot for Southampton in the week and bored the world to death. Will probably be more changes but I wouldn't be shocked if it was 0-0.

I know there's a few who have tipped Palace a lot this year and done well though

I think generally it is one to avoid at these odds. In spite of playing a different team, Man U will still play as a side very tough to break down and that is always normally Palace's achilles heal. A lot can be said about the two teams that are going to be put out though, but at the odds, I would avoid it. Saying that thought if anyone has an angle on it, I would be happy to say my piece for or against it, don't want to be looking like I am shutting it down or whatever.

About Everton though would it be worth laying Arsenal? In spite of the apathy explained before about the Everton side. Surely they have too much about them squad wise to be so out in the odds?

Over 2/1 to lay Arsenal? Not going to suggest it as i don't nearly know enough about either team, but anyone else want to put their piece in by all means do so.

[TightEnd]

Palace are very nearly favourties to win at old trafford on sunday

https://www.oddschecker.com/football/english/premier-league/man-utd-v-crystal-palace/winner

United will finish 6th and obviously team selection will be with the Ajax game in mind.

Palace can climb 3 or drop 4 places depending on results, with +/- prize money implications if they lose

bearing in mind the one off circumstances of this game and motivations, what do we think about these unusual odds?

Mourinho said he would be making "massive changes" in this game when they made it to the final. I have no idea what Palace will do, what side they'll put out or how much effort they'll put in. Personally I wouldn't go for a team away at Old Trafford regardless of the line up, he changed a lot for Southampton in the week and bored the world to death. Will probably be more changes but I wouldn't be shocked if it was 0-0.

I know there's a few who have tipped Palace a lot this year and done well though

I think generally it is one to avoid at these odds. In spite of playing a different team, Man U will still play as a side very tough to break down and that is always normally Palace's achilles heal. A lot can be said about the two teams that are going to be put out though, but at the odds, I would avoid it. Saying that thought if anyone has an angle on it, I would be happy to say my piece for or against it, don't want to be looking like I am shutting it down or whatever.

About Everton though would it be worth laying Arsenal? In spite of the apathy explained before about the Everton side. Surely they have too much about them squad wise to be so out in the odds?

Over 2/1 to lay Arsenal? Not going to suggest it as i don't nearly know enough about either team, but anyone else want to put their piece in by all means do so.

I was expecting someone to tell me to back Manchester United, as you will never see them 7/4 to a bottom half team. United haven't gone off underdogs at home to any side this season

Palace would normally be 6/1 here? 7/1?

[Doobs]

Palace are very nearly favourties to win at old trafford on sunday

https://www.oddschecker.com/football/english/premier-league/man-utd-v-crystal-palace/winner

United will finish 6th and obviously team selection will be with the Ajax game in mind.

Palace can climb 3 or drop 4 places depending on results, with +/- prize money implications if they lose

bearing in mind the one off circumstances of this game and motivations, what do we think about these unusual odds?

Mourinho said he would be making "massive changes" in this game when they made it to the final. I have no idea what Palace will do, what side they'll put out or how much effort they'll put in. Personally I wouldn't go for a team away at Old Trafford regardless of the line up, he changed a lot for Southampton in the week and bored the world to death. Will probably be more changes but I wouldn't be shocked if it was 0-0.

I know there's a few who have tipped Palace a lot this year and done well though

I think generally it is one to avoid at these odds. In spite of playing a different team, Man U will still play as a side very tough to break down and that is always normally Palace's achilles heal. A lot can be said about the two teams that are going to be put out though, but at the odds, I would avoid it. Saying that thought if anyone has an angle on it, I would be happy to say my piece for or against it, don't want to be looking like I am shutting it down or whatever.

About Everton though would it be worth laying Arsenal? In spite of the apathy explained before about the Everton side. Surely they have too much about them squad wise to be so out in the odds?

Over 2/1 to lay Arsenal? Not going to suggest it as i don't nearly know enough about either team, but anyone else want to put their piece in by all means do so.

I was expecting someone to tell me to back Manchester United, as you will never see them 7/4 to a bottom half team. United haven't gone off underdogs at home to any side this season

Palace would normally be 6/1 here? 7/1?

Back Man United pls.  I know Palace have been playing well, but 9/5 at home clearly worth a go.   Arsenal price looks about right

[TightEnd]

Palace are very nearly favourties to win at old trafford on sunday

https://www.oddschecker.com/football/english/premier-league/man-utd-v-crystal-palace/winner

United will finish 6th and obviously team selection will be with the Ajax game in mind.

Palace can climb 3 or drop 4 places depending on results, with +/- prize money implications if they lose

bearing in mind the one off circumstances of this game and motivations, what do we think about these unusual odds?

Mourinho said he would be making "massive changes" in this game when they made it to the final. I have no idea what Palace will do, what side they'll put out or how much effort they'll put in. Personally I wouldn't go for a team away at Old Trafford regardless of the line up, he changed a lot for Southampton in the week and bored the world to death. Will probably be more changes but I wouldn't be shocked if it was 0-0.

I know there's a few who have tipped Palace a lot this year and done well though

I think generally it is one to avoid at these odds. In spite of playing a different team, Man U will still play as a side very tough to break down and that is always normally Palace's achilles heal. A lot can be said about the two teams that are going to be put out though, but at the odds, I would avoid it. Saying that thought if anyone has an angle on it, I would be happy to say my piece for or against it, don't want to be looking like I am shutting it down or whatever.

About Everton though would it be worth laying Arsenal? In spite of the apathy explained before about the Everton side. Surely they have too much about them squad wise to be so out in the odds?

Over 2/1 to lay Arsenal? Not going to suggest it as i don't nearly know enough about either team, but anyone else want to put their piece in by all means do so.

I was expecting someone to tell me to back Manchester United, as you will never see them 7/4 to a bottom half team. United haven't gone off underdogs at home to any side this season

Palace would normally be 6/1 here? 7/1?

Back Man United pls.  I know Palace have been playing well, but 9/5 at home clearly worth a go.   Arsenal price looks about right

if we wnat to do this can someone help with Bet365 or Betfair's sportsbook at 9/5 please?

maybe we'll get 2-1 if he names 11 17 year olds I suppose...

[rinswun]

United have struggled to win games with their first choice team out (7 wins in 18 this season) and have arguably been going off too short all season. This is primarily Nicky Butt's youth team plus Pogba, Bailly and Rooney - names are up on Utd's website. Their youth team isn't even especially strong compared to the likes of Everton, Chelsea and City. Seems like we are taking a price based solely on the shirt rather than the players in it. Doesn't feel like it's value to me.

[TightEnd]

United have struggled to win games with their first choice team out (7 wins in 18 this season) and have arguably been going off too short all season. This is primarily Nicky Butt's youth team plus Pogba, Bailly and Rooney - names are up on Utd's website. Their youth team isn't even especially strong compared to the likes of Everton, Chelsea and City. Seems like we are taking a price based solely on the shirt rather than the players in it. Doesn't feel like it's value to me.

no problem. other views welcome but we can leave it.

[BigAdz]

I'm with Doobs. The price is wrong.

Don't scum players want to put in a shift in order to win a place in the Europa Cup final also??!

[Doobs]

United have struggled to win games with their first choice team out (7 wins in 18 this season) and have arguably been going off too short all season. This is primarily Nicky Butt's youth team plus Pogba, Bailly and Rooney - names are up on Utd's website. Their youth team isn't even especially strong compared to the likes of Everton, Chelsea and City. Seems like we are taking a price based solely on the shirt rather than the players in it. Doesn't feel like it's value to me.

Seriously, where has anyone said back them because they are Man U? 


They are the outsiders at home.   Palace could be on the beach, I'd say more likely.  You can can the first few games this season, then maybe can a few where they have been unlucky.   They have been all over teams on the stats, and even though they have been a bit shit this season, they have 30 points more than Palace, and are in the Europa Cup final.

It is near 2/1, not 1/2 and Man U are at home.  Sure they could lose, but we only need them to win 1 in 3.

[rinswun]

United have struggled to win games with their first choice team out (7 wins in 18 this season) and have arguably been going off too short all season. This is primarily Nicky Butt's youth team plus Pogba, Bailly and Rooney - names are up on Utd's website. Their youth team isn't even especially strong compared to the likes of Everton, Chelsea and City. Seems like we are taking a price based solely on the shirt rather than the players in it. Doesn't feel like it's value to me.

Seriously, where has anyone said back them because they are Man U? 


They are the outsiders at home.   Palace could be on the beach, I'd say more likely.  You can can the first few games this season, then maybe can a few where they have been unlucky.   They have been all over teams on the stats, and even though they have been a bit shit this season, they have 30 points more than Palace, and are in the Europa Cup final.

It is near 2/1, not 1/2 and Man U are at home.  Sure they could lose, but we only need them to win 1 in 3.

My point is how many games would you expect a group of 18 year olds against a battle tested lower half premier league team? I doubt they'd win 1 in 5 let alone 1 in 3, even taking into account the half goal home advantage.

[bergeroo]

NBA awards

As expected San Antonio's Kawhi Leonard, Utah's Rudy Gobert, and Golden State's Draymond Green are nominees for the 2017 Kia Defensive Player of the Year Award.

http://www.nba.com/video/2017/05/19/2017-nba-awards-dpoy-nominees

Fred is on Leonard.

Towns was not in the all NBA first team, so that bet is a loser.

Giannis Antetokounmpo is nominated for most improved player along with Gobert and Jokic. For anyone who bet on that one.

Warriors lead the Spurs 2-0 in the Western Conference Finals.

[Doobs]

United have struggled to win games with their first choice team out (7 wins in 18 this season) and have arguably been going off too short all season. This is primarily Nicky Butt's youth team plus Pogba, Bailly and Rooney - names are up on Utd's website. Their youth team isn't even especially strong compared to the likes of Everton, Chelsea and City. Seems like we are taking a price based solely on the shirt rather than the players in it. Doesn't feel like it's value to me.

Seriously, where has anyone said back them because they are Man U? 


They are the outsiders at home.   Palace could be on the beach, I'd say more likely.  You can can the first few games this season, then maybe can a few where they have been unlucky.   They have been all over teams on the stats, and even though they have been a bit shit this season, they have 30 points more than Palace, and are in the Europa Cup final.

It is near 2/1, not 1/2 and Man U are at home.  Sure they could lose, but we only need them to win 1 in 3.

My point is how many games would you expect a group of 18 year olds against a battle tested lower half premier league team? I doubt they'd win 1 in 5 let alone 1 in 3, even taking into account the half goal home advantage.

Will take 4/1.  How much would you lay

[nirvana]

United have struggled to win games with their first choice team out (7 wins in 18 this season) and have arguably been going off too short all season. This is primarily Nicky Butt's youth team plus Pogba, Bailly and Rooney - names are up on Utd's website. Their youth team isn't even especially strong compared to the likes of Everton, Chelsea and City. Seems like we are taking a price based solely on the shirt rather than the players in it. Doesn't feel like it's value to me.

Seriously, where has anyone said back them because they are Man U? 


They are the outsiders at home.   Palace could be on the beach, I'd say more likely.  You can can the first few games this season, then maybe can a few where they have been unlucky.   They have been all over teams on the stats, and even though they have been a bit shit this season, they have 30 points more than Palace, and are in the Europa Cup final.

It is near 2/1, not 1/2 and Man U are at home.  Sure they could lose, but we only need them to win 1 in 3.

My point is how many games would you expect a group of 18 year olds against a battle tested lower half premier league team? I doubt they'd win 1 in 5 let alone 1 in 3, even taking into account the half goal home advantage.

Will take 4/1.  How much would you lay

Doobs, you appear to be morphing into Arbs - always had you down as a brash, loud, knowitall

[tikay]

Palace are very nearly favourties to win at old trafford on sunday

https://www.oddschecker.com/football/english/premier-league/man-utd-v-crystal-palace/winner

United will finish 6th and obviously team selection will be with the Ajax game in mind.

Palace can climb 3 or drop 4 places depending on results, with +/- prize money implications if they lose

bearing in mind the one off circumstances of this game and motivations, what do we think about these unusual odds?

Mourinho said he would be making "massive changes" in this game when they made it to the final. I have no idea what Palace will do, what side they'll put out or how much effort they'll put in. Personally I wouldn't go for a team away at Old Trafford regardless of the line up, he changed a lot for Southampton in the week and bored the world to death. Will probably be more changes but I wouldn't be shocked if it was 0-0.

I know there's a few who have tipped Palace a lot this year and done well though

I think generally it is one to avoid at these odds. In spite of playing a different team, Man U will still play as a side very tough to break down and that is always normally Palace's achilles heal. A lot can be said about the two teams that are going to be put out though, but at the odds, I would avoid it. Saying that thought if anyone has an angle on it, I would be happy to say my piece for or against it, don't want to be looking like I am shutting it down or whatever.

About Everton though would it be worth laying Arsenal? In spite of the apathy explained before about the Everton side. Surely they have too much about them squad wise to be so out in the odds?

Over 2/1 to lay Arsenal? Not going to suggest it as i don't nearly know enough about either team, but anyone else want to put their piece in by all means do so.

I was expecting someone to tell me to back Manchester United, as you will never see them 7/4 to a bottom half team. United haven't gone off underdogs at home to any side this season

Palace would normally be 6/1 here? 7/1?

Back Man United pls.  I know Palace have been playing well, but 9/5 at home clearly worth a go.   Arsenal price looks about right

if we wnat to do this can someone help with Bet365 or Betfair's sportsbook at 9/5 please?

maybe we'll get 2-1 if he names 11 17 year olds I suppose...

Rich,

I have placed an off-thread bet for myself on this - £50 @ 9/5 with Bet365.

If you decide to go ahead on behalf of Fred, please use some or all of that, providing the price has not reduced by then.

(Bet365 were prepared to let me have £55.56 @ 9/5. They offer us more on the higher liquidity games, it appears).

If Fred does not go ahead, fine by me, I'll happily keep the bet for myself.  It's rare I disagree with rinswun, but Man U look outstanding value to my naïve eye.