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« Reply #1410 on: March 16, 2012, 01:31:31 AM »

One from left field just for the name alone...Go Ahead Eagles v Willem II  in the Dutch Eerste Divisie over 2.5 goals..

All about research you know
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« Reply #1411 on: March 16, 2012, 01:55:16 AM »

The Anderson 180 bet on shaky ground by the looks of it

Half way thru the premier league and he is a long way behind Lewis who has 30+. The irony of darts being that Lewis is yet to win a match!

Maybe get Dubai's thoughts on pressing the bet if his price is woeful. If he comes good and has an amazing 6 weeks averaging 6 per match, he can still get there.

Taylor frequently switches to 19's so that will take his edge off, and Lewis is crumbling like a crumbly thing from crumbly-ville

I know nothing of value, but if Anderson can find "something", there is a distant chance

yeah the 180s is like the big hitter in golf and the doubles are like the green work

you can out drive someone by 50 yards on every par 4 and 5 but those guys with the touch round the green are going to make massive in roadson the score card
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« Reply #1412 on: March 16, 2012, 04:17:38 AM »

One from left field just for the name alone...Go Ahead Eagles v Willem II  in the Dutch Eerste Divisie over 2.5 goals..

All about research you know

Don't want to be mean here but could you honestly name a single player that plays for either team?
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« Reply #1413 on: March 16, 2012, 05:33:39 AM »

After two days (one of which was interrupted by rain), the position in the 2nd Test is:

NZ 185
SA  253
NZ 65/4

New Zealand trail by 3 runs with 6 wickets remaining.

It's going to take weather conditions of biblical proportions to turn this into a draw.

I'm glad I didn't tip it. Smiley
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« Reply #1414 on: March 16, 2012, 10:12:07 AM »

One from left field just for the name alone...Go Ahead Eagles v Willem II  in the Dutch Eerste Divisie over 2.5 goals..

All about research you know

Don't want to be mean here but could you honestly name a single player that plays for either team?

Red..no offense taken

Not sure if you have seen my posts on Eso's thread but I have created an Algorithm for over and under 2.5 goals and aimed at 8 fold accas...small punts..big rewards..its purely maths based and crunches numbers...after some tweeks it seems to be producing some good results..i have expanded it to all sorts of weird and wonderful leagues as it just requires data although it takes a bit of work as we are talking a lot of data which is why we have no bearing as to things such as individual players, injuries etc..... it then spits out the most likely games that meet the set criteria...and you thought it was a random punt LOL
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« Reply #1415 on: March 16, 2012, 10:32:11 AM »

I don't really understand how an approach that doesn't take into consideration players can be successful.  Lets say for example you are betting over 2.5 goals in a Manchester United game because the line is Evens over 2.5 goals and every MU game this year has had three or more goals.  That seems like wonderful value in a vacuum.  If I now tell you that Rooney, Hernandez, Nani, Pogba, Berbatov and Owen are all injured for United and rio Ferdinand and Vidic have both coming back into defence from six months out.  Do you still want to back it?  The football market is so sophisticated these days that betting on total goals without looking at every single element.  I will give you an example....I am friends with a statistician who has just completed his phd on improving the basic model that syndicates such as Tony Blooms use before they look at things like injuries.  He measured his success against bookmakers markets and was delighted to find that he would have only lost 5% on stakes against a bookies theoretical margin of 11% and this was without looking at any injuries/motivational factors/travel etc etc it was just number crunching and it was performing better than bookies but it couldn't overcome the margin.  I suppose what I am saying is that your methods may have value and I am not criticising it from a modelling perspective but I would bet big money that unless you are looking at the other factors you will not be able to make a profit against general bookies prices and that is the aim of the game!!!
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« Reply #1416 on: March 16, 2012, 10:39:09 AM »

Looking forward to Donks' comeback...
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« Reply #1417 on: March 16, 2012, 10:55:46 AM »

Incidentally in terms of an algorithm for total goals I always used to use the following and it worked fairly well.......( Home teams last twenty-five games total goals+Hometeams last twenty five home games total goals+Away teams last twenty-five games total goals+Away teams last twenty-five away games total goals)/100 gives you a decent figure to work on as a total goals expectation.  It works better if you weight them though so that the most recent games are worth 2.5 more than the first game.  You then plug the expectation into an adjusted poisson calculator to give you a true line but generally you find that is very close to the actual line unless there is a specific reason and that tends to be something to do with personnel.
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« Reply #1418 on: March 16, 2012, 11:10:19 AM »

I don't really understand how an approach that doesn't take into consideration players can be successful.  Lets say for example you are betting over 2.5 goals in a Manchester United game because the line is Evens over 2.5 goals and every MU game this year has had three or more goals.  That seems like wonderful value in a vacuum.  If I now tell you that Rooney, Hernandez, Nani, Pogba, Berbatov and Owen are all injured for United and rio Ferdinand and Vidic have both coming back into defence from six months out.  Do you still want to back it?  The football market is so sophisticated these days that betting on total goals without looking at every single element.  I will give you an example....I am friends with a statistician who has just completed his phd on improving the basic model that syndicates such as Tony Blooms use before they look at things like injuries.  He measured his success against bookmakers markets and was delighted to find that he would have only lost 5% on stakes against a bookies theoretical margin of 11% and this was without looking at any injuries/motivational factors/travel etc etc it was just number crunching and it was performing better than bookies but it couldn't overcome the margin.  I suppose what I am saying is that your methods may have value and I am not criticising it from a modelling perspective but I would bet big money that unless you are looking at the other factors you will not be able to make a profit against general bookies prices and that is the aim of the game!!!

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Can't disagree with you at all ... the main points are

I'm not a Pro Punter ( although I'm beginning to think the amount I punt I should be ) therefore to me its more fun than anything..the model I have created significantly improves the chances I have of winning...

I know its flawed but it still improves my chances greatly.. its small punts with big wins and so far has been quite successful..long term maybe not so much but i will refine as I go..

If I was totally serious in a big way and I wanted it to be my worldly income I would of course begin to factor in the data we have discussed.

the thing with the weird and wonderful leagues they are a lot easier to judge than the UK or main euro leagues...they are usually significantly under or over the market I have targeted especially say the eastern Euro leagues/Greek etc...

A great example of your point is the NBA which I like to punt...the bearing that fatigue/certain player injury and homecourt advantage has on games ( because even the worse teams are competitive such is the high skill level of all the players ) is massive..this is a market where number crunching wouldn't work but in NBA I am learning to look for how long a teams game streak has been/how long they have been on the road etc etc....

In all seriousness you are quite correct..but the fact I'm not deadly serious, make my money elsewhere and just enjoy the sweats balance it out...

by the way your one of the few on here that seems to know what his talking about and your always constructive rather than trying to take cheap shots like some on here... Smiley
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« Reply #1419 on: March 16, 2012, 11:11:55 AM »

Incidentally in terms of an algorithm for total goals I always used to use the following and it worked fairly well.......( Home teams last twenty-five games total goals+Hometeams last twenty five home games total goals+Away teams last twenty-five games total goals+Away teams last twenty-five away games total goals)/100 gives you a decent figure to work on as a total goals expectation.  It works better if you weight them though so that the most recent games are worth 2.5 more than the first game.  You then plug the expectation into an adjusted poisson calculator to give you a true line but generally you find that is very close to the actual line unless there is a specific reason and that tends to be something to do with personnel.

Lol.... Don't give half my secrets away FFS
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« Reply #1420 on: March 16, 2012, 11:12:47 AM »

Love these posts.
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« Reply #1421 on: March 16, 2012, 11:14:21 AM »

By the way..just so you know..when I find Goose and golden egg combo... I won't tell you LOL
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« Reply #1422 on: March 16, 2012, 11:40:23 AM »

In the exciting tussle between the odds and evens, the odds have a slight advantage (after a terrific 5-1 win yesterday) of going into the final day 11 - 9 ahead.
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« Reply #1423 on: March 16, 2012, 11:41:41 AM »

In the exciting tussle between the odds and evens, the odds have a slight advantage (after a terrific 5-1 win yesterday) of going into the final day 11 - 9 ahead.


Did you back them?
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« Reply #1424 on: March 16, 2012, 11:53:14 AM »

Of course, it was a tip, not some random punt you know Wink
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