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[henrik777]

2008 Ryder cup singles

Anthony Kim    5 & 4   Sergio García
Hunter Mahan   halved   Paul Casey
Justin Leonard    5 & 3   Robert Karlsson
Phil Mickelson    3 & 2   Justin Rose
Kenny Perry    3 & 2   Henrik Stenson
Boo Weekley    4 & 2   Oliver Wilson
J. B. Holmes    2 & 1   Søren Hansen
Jim Furyk    2 & 1   Miguel Ángel Jiménez Game finished here i believe.
Stewart Cink    2 & 1   Graeme McDowell
Steve Stricker    3 & 2   Ian Poulter
Ben Curtis    2 & 1   Lee Westwood
Chad Campbell    2 & 1   Pádraig Harrington
7½   Session   4½
16½   Overall   11½

2006 Ryder cup.
Colin Montgomerie    1 Up   David Toms
Sergio García    4 & 3   Stewart Cink
Paul Casey    2 & 1   Jim Furyk
Robert Karlsson    3 & 2   Tiger Woods
Luke Donald    2 & 1   Chad Campbell
Paul McGinley   halved [3]   J. J. Henry
Darren Clarke    3 & 2   Zach Johnson
Henrik Stenson    4 & 3   Vaughn Taylor Winning point here ?
David Howell    5 & 4   Brett Wetterich
José María Olazábal    2 & 1   Phil Mickelson
Lee Westwood    2 Up   Chris DiMarco
Pádraig Harrington    4 & 3   Scott Verplank
8½   Session   3½
18½   Overall   9½

2004 Ryder cup
Tiger Woods    3 & 2   Paul Casey
Phil Mickelson    3 & 2   Sergio García
Davis Love III   halved   Darren Clarke
Jim Furyk    6 & 4   David Howell
Kenny Perry    1 Up   Lee Westwood
David Toms    1 Up   Colin Montgomerie Winning point here ?
Chad Campbell    5 & 3   Luke Donald
Chris DiMarco    1 Up   Miguel Ángel Jiménez
Fred Funk    1 Up   Thomas Levet
Chris Riley    3 & 2   Ian Poulter
Jay Haas    1 Up   Pádraig Harrington
Stewart Cink    3 & 2   Paul McGinley
4½   Session   7½
9½   Overall   18½



Sadly i'm not optimistic on easy halves here.

Sandy

[Bad Beat]

 I thought it would be too good to be true. It is massively related though.

 You could take all the worst prices in mutiples and have value I reckon. It's sort of like it either happens or it doesn't, and if it happens it'll be in all of them.

 What do people think the chances of it happening are should the USA be out of sight with three or four games still out there?

 % chance they shake in that spot against % chance they play out the match?

[tikay]

Hmm.

Well we are on now, so it is what it is.

Even if the theory is wrong, it only ....."only" (!) takes one to bink & the 4 bets are overalll profitable.

I'm pretty certain that multiples would not be permitted, but I might just test the theory off-thread by having one double & see if it gets accepted.

If we did, say, a yankee & all 4 matches "shook hands" early, there'd be some right hooting & hollering from the bookie! Can you imagine?

I AM opposed to multiles & accas, of course, but in this case, IF it were allowable, I'd definitely do it.

As Mr C says, this is one of those things where you'd be very wrong, or very right.

I never did much like those hero calls with Q high.

[doubleup]

I think these are independent bets, I'd be more worried that there is a T&C about matches being played out or void.  On the Westwood match you can bet 97 on all outcomes to win 100

http://www.oddschecker.com/golf/ryder-cup/kuchar-v-westwood/winner

[RickBFA]

Skybet have taken my doubles and treble on the last three games.

Do you think they will not pay out??

[tikay]

I tested the water with Sporting Bet. The Betslip suggests that multiples ARE permitted, & I attempted a £1 "Lucky 15",  see......




Singles - Dufner v Hanson
Who will win the match?
 
Tie
13/2
Golf 13/2 
Possible Payout 0.00 GBP 
1 bet @
     
Singles - Kuchar v Westwood
Who will win the match?
 
Tie
6/1
Golf 6/1 
Possible Payout 0.00 GBP 
1 bet @
     
Singles - Stricker v Kaymer
Who will win the match?
 
Tie
6/1
Golf 6/1 
Possible Payout 0.00 GBP 
1 bet @
     
Singles - Woods v Molinari
Who will win the match?
 
Tie
11/2
Golf 11/2 
Possible Payout 0.00 GBP 
1 bet @
     Multiples Unit Stake
Accumulator
9551/4 
Possible Payout 0.00 GBP 
1 bet @
     
Lucky 15
4064/1 
Possible Payout 4,079.00 GBP 
15 bets @
     
Yankee
4040/1 
Possible Payout 0.00 GBP 
11 bets @
     
Doubles
1151/4 
Possible Payout 0.00 GBP 
6 bets @
     
Trebles
2729/2 
Possible Payout 0.00 GBP 
4 bets @
     Total Cost: 15.00 GBP


But when I clicked "PLACE BET" this message came up......

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[Horneris]

Reckon you should all calm down a bit, I may be wrong but there doesn't seem to be any historical evidence to support the "sporting draw" theory.

Even if there was some, these seem the sort of players/people who will be desperate to win their matches (Seve on bag/dressed in blue for Euros, revenge/dominance for USA).

[Karabiner]

I thought it would be too good to be true. It is massively related though.

 You could take all the worst prices in mutiples and have value I reckon. It's sort of like it either happens or it doesn't, and if it happens it'll be in all of them.

 What do people think the chances of it happening are should the USA be out of sight with three or four games still out there?

 % chance they shake in that spot against % chance they play out the match?

I think they're always going to play out their matches even if the match is technically over, but they may simply concede a putt which they would not ordinarily do on the last green like Jack Nicklaus famously did to Tony Jacklin.

I've never seen matches agree to a tie irrespective of the score when the result is clear.

[doubleup]

Sportingbet T&C

Matchplay

Winning bets must predict the winner of a matchplay match.

In team events, final day singles will be settled on the official result.

In a matchplay tournament, the winner will be the player progressing to the next round or becoming the tournament winner.

So no problem with that.

[tikay]

Reckon you should all calm down a bit, I may be wrong but there doesn't seem to be any historical evidence to support the "sporting draw" theory.

Even if there was some, these seem the sort of players/people who will be desperate to win their matches (Seve on bag/dressed in blue for Euros, revenge/dominance for USA).

Very likely correct.

It is what it is, what will be will be.

Think it was worth a look though.

Off to see if there is any value in the UK's biggest local derby. Ish.


http://www.oddschecker.com/football/english/championship/nottingham-forest-v-derby/winner

[The Camel]

Reckon you should all calm down a bit, I may be wrong but there doesn't seem to be any historical evidence to support the "sporting draw" theory.

Even if there was some, these seem the sort of players/people who will be desperate to win their matches (Seve on bag/dressed in blue for Euros, revenge/dominance for USA).

I can clearly remember one Ryder Cup where some matches stopped.

I assume it was this one:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2002_Ryder_Cup

Davis Love is the sort of captain that could call his troops in once the match is won.

I think it's a fair bet.

[Bad Beat]

 If it happens in the last four games you are getting 1000/1+++ on the acca. Can't see much value being the guy that says "I wouldn't do that if I were you".

 Obviously it probably won't happen.

 I wouldn't want to lay it though.

[The Camel]

Daily Report as @ 0945, Saturday September 29th

We made a loss of £180 yesterday.

9 bets completed, of which 8 lost……!

I’m not sure we did too much wrong, either. Lady Variance maybe had PMT, & gave us a bit of grief, but it happens, & it swings both ways.

Our losses were…..

Paul Lawrie, Ryder Cup Top European, £10

Brighton, football, £100

Barnsley, football, £50

St Helens, RL, £35

St Helens, RL, £5

Huddersfield, football, £20

New Zealand, T20WC, £20

Hull, football, £20

And our sole winner?

Walsall, £80. (Tighty).

That £80 came in VERY handy.

Really, my head is not in the sand, but I think all the bets were good value, we beat the price, & they looked decent. Just one of those days. Unfortunately, we look like facing a good deal more wrong ‘uns today, too, & we don’t have much by way of compensation to balance it out. Maybe some NFL bets will arrive & will get us out of it, or Doobsy's clever ruse will work.

No point in having a post-mortem, or working through it bet by bet, I genuinely think it was one of those days.

Tomorrow will be a better day. Probably. We just have to get through today first.

Click to see full-size image.

The three bets I recommended all started significantly shorter than the prices we backed them at:

Brighton 11/10 > 5/6
Barnsley 17/10 > 11/8
Huddersfield 23/20 > 1/1

Unfortunately as yesterday's results proved, you can't eat value.

They were all excellent bets, they all lost.

Welcome to gambling for a living.

[redarmi]

I'm not sure that it will happen and later in the day I am expecting to lay the ties in those later games. I know Brad who does the golf for Ladbrokes and I know he thinks that punters get carried away and the prices are too short, but he has gone very short prices in anticipation of money.

 I have bet the last three on Betfair at slightly shorter than SportingBet.

 If you can get on with SportingBet this is one where you should break one of your rules and do multiples Tikay. These bets are very much related contingencies.

 If the USA have won the cup they could all agree to turn around at the same time and just shake hands. It will vry likely happen to all these matches or none.

 I would suggest a double Tiger and Stricker's matches and four trebles the last four.

 I know you'll say you are already on and you don't like multiples but this is different.

I logged on this morning to suggest this very multiple bet.  Think it is a decent opportunity for a very big score.

[tikay]

Daily Report as @ 0945, Saturday September 29th

We made a loss of £180 yesterday.

9 bets completed, of which 8 lost……!

I’m not sure we did too much wrong, either. Lady Variance maybe had PMT, & gave us a bit of grief, but it happens, & it swings both ways.

Our losses were…..

Paul Lawrie, Ryder Cup Top European, £10

Brighton, football, £100

Barnsley, football, £50

St Helens, RL, £35

St Helens, RL, £5

Huddersfield, football, £20

New Zealand, T20WC, £20

Hull, football, £20

And our sole winner?

Walsall, £80. (Tighty).

That £80 came in VERY handy.

Really, my head is not in the sand, but I think all the bets were good value, we beat the price, & they looked decent. Just one of those days. Unfortunately, we look like facing a good deal more wrong ‘uns today, too, & we don’t have much by way of compensation to balance it out. Maybe some NFL bets will arrive & will get us out of it, or Doobsy's clever ruse will work.

No point in having a post-mortem, or working through it bet by bet, I genuinely think it was one of those days.

Tomorrow will be a better day. Probably. We just have to get through today first.

Click to see full-size image.

The three bets I recommended all started significantly shorter than the prices we backed them at:

Brighton 11/10 > 5/6
Barnsley 17/10 > 11/8
Huddersfield 23/20 > 1/1

Unfortunately as yesterday's results proved, you can't eat value.

They were all excellent bets, they all lost.

Welcome to gambling for a living.

That is exactly my view Keith, except, of course, it's just a hobby for me, & a fun one, it is not my living.  Just one of those days.

When I back a loser, I look back at it & ask myself "was that REALLY a good bet I made?", & in the rear-view mirror, they can look so different, just as calling with A high can make a right fool of us.

I looked at those three bets, & if I had my time again, & they all repeated, I'd back them bigger. Think back to last weekend's results of those 3 teams, & it is inconceibable, even with hindsight, that ALL three could fail.

Honestly, no regrets here. It happens. I take the same view in poker, I don't look back after & get angry with the villain, or anyone. If we can't ride the punches & show a bit of backbone in adversity, we should not be punting or pokering.