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« Reply #77970 on: May 19, 2014, 09:38:20 AM »

Put this in world cup thread too.


Really like the top 2 in this market. They are in the hardest groups and don't have any outstanding goal threats.

Think you could back both ew profitably, think we would be really unlucky to be outside the top 3.

I can see both teams scoring maybe 1 goal.

http://www.oddschecker.com/football/world-cup/lowest-scoring-team

Both bets with PP, and . Australia and Costa Rica

England are 50's in this market.  Worth a Banzai?
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« Reply #77971 on: May 19, 2014, 09:41:39 AM »

Why is it odd that his forename was John? Jack is a nickname for people called John. Jack Straw is another example.

I've always found that John & Jack thing odd.

John Kirkland was a "Jack", too, but his Dad, "Jack" was known as John.

Whilst I was working for him, Jack (John) had a son who he christened "John", & always referred to as "Jack".

I noticed his name yesterday, in the Sunday Times Rich List, he was said to be worth £300 million. And the rest.  

PS - I have a spoken language oddity for you, will post it in my Diary shortly.
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« Reply #77972 on: May 19, 2014, 09:46:56 AM »

Put this in world cup thread too.


Really like the top 2 in this market. They are in the hardest groups and don't have any outstanding goal threats.

Think you could back both ew profitably, think we would be really unlucky to be outside the top 3.

I can see both teams scoring maybe 1 goal.

http://www.oddschecker.com/football/world-cup/lowest-scoring-team

Both bets with PP, and . Australia and Costa Rica

England are 50's in this market.  Worth a Banzai?

welcome opinions, but with costa rica in the group and presumably Hodgson will have to pick an attacking line up for that game, i wouldn't say they are 0-2 goal candidates
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« Reply #77973 on: May 19, 2014, 10:03:24 AM »

I saw the england 50-1 last night and thought that was better value ew top4 but wasnt going to post as it looks like its just cause i am scottish and ABE
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« Reply #77974 on: May 19, 2014, 10:05:15 AM »

Why is it odd that his forename was John? Jack is a nickname for people called John. Jack Straw is another example.

I've always found that John & Jack thing odd.

John Kirkland was a "Jack", too, but his Dad, "Jack" was known as John.

Whilst I was working for him, Jack (John) had a son who he christened "John", & always referred to as "Jack".

I noticed his name yesterday, in the Sunday Times Rich List, he was said to be worth £300 million. And the rest.  

PS - I have a spoken language oddity for you, will post it in my Diary shortly.

Lovely. Will respond at lunchtime.


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« Reply #77975 on: May 19, 2014, 10:05:21 AM »

The costa rica game might be pointless and in that case roy will likely name a young team for experiance
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« Reply #77976 on: May 19, 2014, 10:12:22 AM »



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« Reply #77977 on: May 19, 2014, 10:15:18 AM »

I saw the england 50-1 last night and thought that was better value ew top4 but wasnt going to post as it looks like its just cause i am scottish and ABE

Can only see top 3 on oddschecker?
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« Reply #77978 on: May 19, 2014, 10:41:36 AM »

Yep sorry not feeling great so was just putting up a rushed jobbie

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« Reply #77979 on: May 19, 2014, 10:48:37 AM »

I saw the england 50-1 last night and thought that was better value ew top4 but wasnt going to post as it looks like its just cause i am scottish and ABE

Can only see top 3 on oddschecker?
my mistake it is top 3 1/4 odds  was just glancing at it before bed last night

Think it might depend on  what happens if there are ties will it effect payouts if 2 teams finish with 0 will both get full payout etc
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« Reply #77980 on: May 19, 2014, 10:49:25 AM »

Leicester reportedly making their first moves in the transfer market soon. For Albrighton and Upson. Ummm.
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« Reply #77981 on: May 19, 2014, 10:51:02 AM »

Leicester reportedly making their first moves in the transfer market soon. For Albrighton and Upson. Ummm.

agent talk. all sorts of names in the frame. Pearson says "you will not have heard of most of the names" which suggests European scouting at better value for money eg Knockaert and Mahrez
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« Reply #77982 on: May 19, 2014, 11:03:08 AM »

I've written previews of each world cup group at http://www.betpal.com/fifa-world-cup-2014-betting-and-offers if anyone is interested. Got more articles to come, eg team specials, winner etc etc

the golden boot one is going up this morning, and has taken quite a bit of research. Quite a few things struck me about past golden boots which i mention.

(Dzeko is a Millidonk spot that i've used)

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A look at the major factors to consider when considering who will win the Golden Boot.

- The Group draw

With a maximum of seven games to be played for any player, if their nation reaches the last four, and typically 6-7 goals winning a World Cup Golden Boot, the make up of the group into which you are drawn is clearly crucial.  Is there one of the weakest fourth seeds, for example?

Looking at data since the 1986 World Cup there is clear evidence that the winner of the Golden Boot scores the majority of their goals in the group stages. For the seven previous World Cups  the Golden Boot winners scored more goals (26) at a better average (a goal every 71 minutes) in the group stages than the knockout stages (22 goals, scoring a goal every 100.8 minutes).

- World Cup progression


Each nation will play a minimum of three games and a maximum of seven if they reach the semi-final. This is important, as almost all Golden Boot winners’ nations  progress into the knockout stages. Pitch time clearly means a greater chance of goals

Since 1986, six of the last eight Golden Boot winners  have played seven games, however just one has reached the final, with the other five finishing their tournament in the third-place playoff.

Historically, the third-place playoff produces more goals than the World Cup final. In the last seven World Cup third-place playoffs, there have been an average of 4.28 goals, compared to two goals in the final.

- Team tactics & motivation

Understanding the tactics and style of play a nation employs is vital when picking a potential Golden Boot winner. Nations that create more chances are more likely to have the winner of the Golden Boot in their squad. The last winners have played for the World Cup’s highest scoring teams.

A team must also play to the player’s strengths. Just because a player is prolific for his club side doesn’t mean he is guaranteed to score plenty on the International stage. For instance Uruguay’s Edinson Cavani is considered amongst the best strikers in the world scoring on average a goal every 1.34 games since 2010 for his respective club teams, but on the international stage he struggles, finding the net on average every three games. One reason is that Cavani is instructed to lead the line and act as a foil for Luis Suarez  who scores a goal every 1.82 games for Uruguay.

- Set piece specialists


On average it requires six goals to claim the World Cup Golden Boot. Players taking free kicks and penalties are more prolific, which can make all the difference between winning the award and not.

Looking back at the last seven World Cups, the Golden Boot winners have scored 14.5% (7) of their goals from penalties, while just 2% (1) of winners’ goals came from free kicks. This shows that being a team’s penalty taker could prove decisive. Interestingly, for example, Sergio Aguero has never taken a penalty in regular time for Argentina.

So, taking those factors into account, we can look at two areas of the Golden boot market, the favourites and some outsiders. Bear in mind that apart from the Brazilian Ronaldo in 2002, none of the other seven Golden Boot winners have been majorly fancied to lift the trophy before the start. There is definitely value elsewhere....

- Favourites

At the time of writing the market is headed by the following

Messi 8/1 (37 goals, 83 caps, 9 pens)

Neymar 14/1 (30 goals, 47 caps, 4 pens)

Ronaldo 16/1 (49 goals, 110 caps, 7 pens)

Aguero 16/1 (21 goals, 47 caps, 0 pens)

Suarez 18/1 (38 goals, 77 caps, 6 pens)

Higuain 20/1 (20 goals, 35 caps, 1 pen)

All bookmakers offer 1/4 the odds top 4 places, so all of the above are going to have their supporters with backers.  Of the two indescribably talented players Messi and Ronaldo you would have to say Messi is the more likely Golden Boot winner. Argentina are by far the more favoured team (5/1 to win, compared to 33/1 for Ronaldo’s Portugal), playing on their home continent and are generally a stronger side in all areas of the pitch. Put simply, they are more likely to play 6 or 7 games than Portugal are. The same might apply to Suarez, with Uruguay far from a sure thing to get through a tough group

The "favourite" who really appeals is Neymar  with a goal every 1.5 games for his country with the real expectation that he will play 7 games (a major surprise if Brazil do not reach the last four at home). Likely to be on penalties and free kicks, with the team playing through him and the 14/1 with Corals each way looks a cracking bet

- Outsiders


Many many contenders for a more speculative price outside the front runners including

Van Persie 33/1 (40 goals 80 caps 5 pens) out of group? chile?

Muller 33/1 (16 goals, 47 caps, 0 pens) false nine

Balotelli 40/1 (12 goals, 29 caps, 4 pens)

Falcao 40/1 (20 goals, 50 caps, 5 pens)...injury risk/ready for start?

Rooney 50/1 (40 goals 90 caps, 2 pens) gerrard on pens? withdrawn role?

out to the likes of

Dzeko 100-1 (33 goals, 60 caps, 2 pens) *13/8 top bosnian scorer note*

Of these and many other players two appeal. Mario Balotelli has 7 goals in his last 13 internationals for Italy, and scored 3 in 4 starts in his last major competition Euro 2012 including twice in the semi-final. He is likely to be Italy's penalty taker. He should play every game. The team has a strong record in tournaments and has a good chance of a deep run. With Balotelli we have to take on some disciplinary risk, but his goal-scoring record at intnernational level has improved since 2012 where a number of opportunities were missed. 40-1 with BWin is a big price for Balotelli outright, 33-1 each way widely available elsewhere

For a big priced outsider look at Bosnia's Edin Dzeko at 100-1 each way with Coral, who will play every game, socred 10 goals in qualifying and Bosnia have every chance of getting out of the Argentina/Nigeria group and progressing to the knock-out stages. A big price for a goal-scorer in a team that scores plenty against weaker teams, on the evidence of the qualifying group, and could give backers a nice run for their money

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World Cup Golden Boot

Neymar 14/1 e/w (1/4 1,2,3,4) Coral

Mario Balotelli 33/1 e/w (1/4 1,2,3,4) Coral (40-1 win only BWin)

Edin Dzeko 100-1 e/w (1/4 1,2,3,4) Coral



note dubai has us on Jackson Martinez (colombia, assumes Falcao doesn't make it)

note maldini has us on rossi (to play up front with balotelli, hopefully)


anyway, hopefully the above will generate some discussion.....

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« Reply #77983 on: May 19, 2014, 11:12:55 AM »



Neymar 14/1 e/w (1/4 1,2,3,4) Coral

Mario Balotelli 33/1 e/w (1/4 1,2,3,4) Coral (40-1 win only BWin)

Edin Dzeko 100-1 e/w (1/4 1,2,3,4) Coral




How much would you recommend for Fred, please?
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« Reply #77984 on: May 19, 2014, 11:14:59 AM »



Neymar 14/1 e/w (1/4 1,2,3,4) Coral

Mario Balotelli 33/1 e/w (1/4 1,2,3,4) Coral (40-1 win only BWin)

Edin Dzeko 100-1 e/w (1/4 1,2,3,4) Coral




How much would you recommend for Fred, please?

I'd like knowledgeable people to tell me the logic makes sense first. others might have stronger opinions on better choices

assuming it makes a modicum of sense though, and accepting its a market with plenty of viable runners and a fair amount of luck involved, something like £20 e/w on each
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