Independence Referendum

[celtic]

The funny thing about all this is it's dividing Scotland and causing problems amongst friends. Seems ridiculous.

[Eck]

The funny thing about all this is it's dividing Scotland and causing problems amongst friends. Seems ridiculous.

yeah, I'm getting pissed you haven't organised this night out yet.

[Woodsey]

The funny thing about all this is it's dividing Scotland and causing problems amongst friends. Seems ridiculous.

Just imagine when people decide independence has failed and the riots start 

[arbboy]

the serious stuff is done for the day!!!  The thread can relax and have a laugh now!

[TightEnd]

Paul Waugh ‏@paulwaugh (Editor of PoliticsHome.com)

Quote of the Day. Salmond on issue of reneging on Scotland's debt: "What are they gonna to do? Invade?"


lol, what a weasel.

[Kmac84]

But I don't see why using the £ is an asset really?  I think Scotland should get a share of the UK's reserves and keep the infrastructure it has built up.  In return it should take a share of debt and take on it's own pension liabilities going forward.  

I see the currency question as a seperate argument.

How so? Sterling is a tradeable currency therefore its an asset, no?

[Kmac84]

To be fair - if the argument is that the debt was run up by the UK, not in Scotland's name therefore we won't pay, it does become a matter of honour.  You don't have to pay technically, but it's not very nice if you don't.

And I'm not sure where we are going with the asset argument - Scotland has plenty of infrastructure funded by UK debt?  The English aren't threatening to knock your hospitals down as far as I know.

I agree, but the threat not to take a share of the debt was in response to the claim that we can't use the £. 

I'm pretty sure we all agree that an independent Scotland will use the £ and in that case we will do what is  morally right and pay our fair share. 

Its the rUK who have been playing the scaremongering game from the day dot.

If rUK decide you can't use the pound why wouldn't you still pay off your debts when you leave?  After all, it's not the rUK who are asking you to leave.  You are leaving to become a stronger country so why wouldn't you settle all balances in full prior to you leaving whether you can use the pound or not?

You can't be serious. 

Why do you think we should take a share of debt we never borrowed f we don't get our fair share of assetts? 

You did reap the benefits of the borrowing as part of the UK.  You have hospitals, roads, schools.   You are keeping these assets.

We had hospitals, roads and schools well before this debt was taken on. 

[Doobs]

But I don't see why using the £ is an asset really?  I think Scotland should get a share of the UK's reserves and keep the infrastructure it has built up.  In return it should take a share of debt and take on it's own pension liabilities going forward.  

I see the currency question as a seperate argument.

How so? Sterling is a tradeable currency therefore its an asset, no?

No

[Doobs]

To be fair - if the argument is that the debt was run up by the UK, not in Scotland's name therefore we won't pay, it does become a matter of honour.  You don't have to pay technically, but it's not very nice if you don't.

And I'm not sure where we are going with the asset argument - Scotland has plenty of infrastructure funded by UK debt?  The English aren't threatening to knock your hospitals down as far as I know.

I agree, but the threat not to take a share of the debt was in response to the claim that we can't use the £. 

I'm pretty sure we all agree that an independent Scotland will use the £ and in that case we will do what is  morally right and pay our fair share. 

Its the rUK who have been playing the scaremongering game from the day dot.

If rUK decide you can't use the pound why wouldn't you still pay off your debts when you leave?  After all, it's not the rUK who are asking you to leave.  You are leaving to become a stronger country so why wouldn't you settle all balances in full prior to you leaving whether you can use the pound or not?

You can't be serious. 

Why do you think we should take a share of debt we never borrowed f we don't get our fair share of assetts? 

You did reap the benefits of the borrowing as part of the UK.  You have hospitals, roads, schools.   You are keeping these assets.

We had hospitals, roads and schools well before this debt was taken on. 

Before 1692?  You not think some improvements may have been made since then? 

[arbboy]

To be fair - if the argument is that the debt was run up by the UK, not in Scotland's name therefore we won't pay, it does become a matter of honour.  You don't have to pay technically, but it's not very nice if you don't.

And I'm not sure where we are going with the asset argument - Scotland has plenty of infrastructure funded by UK debt?  The English aren't threatening to knock your hospitals down as far as I know.

I agree, but the threat not to take a share of the debt was in response to the claim that we can't use the £. 

I'm pretty sure we all agree that an independent Scotland will use the £ and in that case we will do what is  morally right and pay our fair share. 

Its the rUK who have been playing the scaremongering game from the day dot.

If rUK decide you can't use the pound why wouldn't you still pay off your debts when you leave?  After all, it's not the rUK who are asking you to leave.  You are leaving to become a stronger country so why wouldn't you settle all balances in full prior to you leaving whether you can use the pound or not?

You can't be serious. 

Why do you think we should take a share of debt we never borrowed f we don't get our fair share of assetts? 

You did reap the benefits of the borrowing as part of the UK.  You have hospitals, roads, schools.   You are keeping these assets.

We had hospitals, roads and schools well before this debt was taken on. 

Before 1692?  You not think some improvements may have been made since then? 

lolz!  Is that what you call owned Kmac or pawned!

[Kmac84]

To be fair - if the argument is that the debt was run up by the UK, not in Scotland's name therefore we won't pay, it does become a matter of honour.  You don't have to pay technically, but it's not very nice if you don't.

And I'm not sure where we are going with the asset argument - Scotland has plenty of infrastructure funded by UK debt?  The English aren't threatening to knock your hospitals down as far as I know.

I agree, but the threat not to take a share of the debt was in response to the claim that we can't use the £. 

I'm pretty sure we all agree that an independent Scotland will use the £ and in that case we will do what is  morally right and pay our fair share. 

Its the rUK who have been playing the scaremongering game from the day dot.

If rUK decide you can't use the pound why wouldn't you still pay off your debts when you leave?  After all, it's not the rUK who are asking you to leave.  You are leaving to become a stronger country so why wouldn't you settle all balances in full prior to you leaving whether you can use the pound or not?

You can't be serious. 

Why do you think we should take a share of debt we never borrowed f we don't get our fair share of assetts? 

You did reap the benefits of the borrowing as part of the UK.  You have hospitals, roads, schools.   You are keeping these assets.

We had hospitals, roads and schools well before this debt was taken on. 

Before 1692?  You not think some improvements may have been made since then? 

Your not seriously suggesting this debt runs back to then.  FFS geez peace.

[Kmac84]

To be fair - if the argument is that the debt was run up by the UK, not in Scotland's name therefore we won't pay, it does become a matter of honour.  You don't have to pay technically, but it's not very nice if you don't.

And I'm not sure where we are going with the asset argument - Scotland has plenty of infrastructure funded by UK debt?  The English aren't threatening to knock your hospitals down as far as I know.

I agree, but the threat not to take a share of the debt was in response to the claim that we can't use the £. 

I'm pretty sure we all agree that an independent Scotland will use the £ and in that case we will do what is  morally right and pay our fair share. 

Its the rUK who have been playing the scaremongering game from the day dot.

If rUK decide you can't use the pound why wouldn't you still pay off your debts when you leave?  After all, it's not the rUK who are asking you to leave.  You are leaving to become a stronger country so why wouldn't you settle all balances in full prior to you leaving whether you can use the pound or not?

You can't be serious. 

Why do you think we should take a share of debt we never borrowed f we don't get our fair share of assetts? 

You did reap the benefits of the borrowing as part of the UK.  You have hospitals, roads, schools.   You are keeping these assets.

We had hospitals, roads and schools well before this debt was taken on. 

Before 1692?  You not think some improvements may have been made since then? 

lolz!  Is that what you call owned Kmac or pawned!

I wouldn't say so. 

[TightEnd]

To be fair - if the argument is that the debt was run up by the UK, not in Scotland's name therefore we won't pay, it does become a matter of honour.  You don't have to pay technically, but it's not very nice if you don't.

And I'm not sure where we are going with the asset argument - Scotland has plenty of infrastructure funded by UK debt?  The English aren't threatening to knock your hospitals down as far as I know.

I agree, but the threat not to take a share of the debt was in response to the claim that we can't use the £. 

I'm pretty sure we all agree that an independent Scotland will use the £ and in that case we will do what is  morally right and pay our fair share. 

Its the rUK who have been playing the scaremongering game from the day dot.

If rUK decide you can't use the pound why wouldn't you still pay off your debts when you leave?  After all, it's not the rUK who are asking you to leave.  You are leaving to become a stronger country so why wouldn't you settle all balances in full prior to you leaving whether you can use the pound or not?

You can't be serious. 

Why do you think we should take a share of debt we never borrowed f we don't get our fair share of assetts? 

You did reap the benefits of the borrowing as part of the UK.  You have hospitals, roads, schools.   You are keeping these assets.

We had hospitals, roads and schools well before this debt was taken on. 

Before 1692?  You not think some improvements may have been made since then? 

Your not seriously suggesting this debt runs back to then.  FFS geez peace.

i think the point is the assets don't pre-date the Union

[Ironside]

The funny thing about all this is it's dividing Scotland and causing problems amongst friends. Seems ridiculous.

friends have disowned me on facebook and removed me because I play devils advocate
I debate with both the yes and no camp and some people cant understand I am still undecided
and think I am firmly in the opposite camp to them

strength of feeling up here is swinging to YES with more people coming out as yes voters than no voters recently
how much of the fact the no campaigners are less vocals through not want to sound unpatriotic is unknown

earlier in the campaign my parents who are tories and very blue tories at that my mum a rare breed in Scotland as a thatcher fan
gave up there own time to put leaflets through the doors for the no campaign they refused to do it a 2nd time not because of
the fact they are swaying in there views if anything they are more entrenched in the NO camp but because of the reaction of "friends" and neighbours they have known for nearly 40 years
with an raf camp and an army base within a few miles of my home the village is split between nationalities but I haven't seen 1 no poster in a window
I honestly think the people are rightly or wrongly scared to put up a poster just incase.

I do know in the next village its a strong NO area many of the people are retired up here from England
 but still there are not many NO posters up

wounds have opened up amongst friends that are going to take years to heal I feel
I hope I am wrong

[Kmac84]

I was in Labour heartslands of Coatbridge & Airdrie today and it was plastered in Yes posters.  Along Alexandra Parade through to Cumbernauld Rd, uptowards Stepps the Yes Posters outnumbered NO's 10:1

Alistair Darling although given a pretty easy time on Reporting Scotland struggled with some of Jackie Bird's questions.  If ponsonby gives him a hard time tonight like he did Salmond last night he might just pack it in.