Arsenal FC a very promising story

[rinswun]

I don't advocating him resigning now as I don't think that does anyone any favours but he should certainly go in the summer in my opinion.

What would it take for you to lose faith and feel that him leaving would be a better option?

[TightEnd]

Blimey.Not stirring and not flaming. cross is the mirrors football correspondent and arsenal fan. Wrote a biography of Wenger that I enjoyed reading. It was broadly supportive of Wenger and very interesting..Why wouldn't I stick interesting links up? I do on many many threads .There is much to admire about the club, Wenger and many of the excellent players. Not capitalising on this season, assuming they Don't , makes it quite difficult to be complimentary in the short term irrespective of who i support . Surely nothing here is unreasonable?

Well you sound very reasonable now. And almost shocked at how your remarks could possibly have been misinterpreted!
Perhaps just read back what you have actually written tonight and ask yourself, "could this be seen as provocative?"

I will do. For the record I like Ralph. We fell out once but I was happy we made up. We'be known each other for ten years. If I think he's stubborn and hyper-sensitive on the subject of arsenal only,  which I do, I Don't take that as insulting, provocative or trolling nor does it mean I do not respect his views or dislike him. my test is usually would I say it face to face and yes I would, and wouldn't expect to fall out over it.

[Karabiner]

I don't advocating him resigning now as I don't think that does anyone any favours but he should certainly go in the summer in my opinion.

What would it take for you to lose faith and feel that him leaving would be a better option?

My stance has always been that he deserves to choose when is the right time to go.

I think we owe him at least that and we can trust him to do the right thing.

[rinswun]

I don't advocating him resigning now as I don't think that does anyone any favours but he should certainly go in the summer in my opinion.

What would it take for you to lose faith and feel that him leaving would be a better option?

My stance has always been that he deserves to choose when is the right time to go.

I think we owe him at least that and we can trust him to do the right thing.

In my opinion, with every passing season he is diminishing his legacy in the vain search for one final title. Hopefully he'll see sense this summer and call it a day whilst the majority still have good will towards him.

[Karabiner]

Blimey.Not stirring and not flaming. cross is the mirrors football correspondent and arsenal fan. Wrote a biography of Wenger that I enjoyed reading. It was broadly supportive of Wenger and very interesting..Why wouldn't I stick interesting links up? I do on many many threads .There is much to admire about the club, Wenger and many of the excellent players. Not capitalising on this season, assuming they Don't , makes it quite difficult to be complimentary in the short term irrespective of who i support . Surely nothing here is unreasonable?

Well you sound very reasonable now. And almost shocked at how your remarks could possibly have been misinterpreted!
Perhaps just read back what you have actually written tonight and ask yourself, "could this be seen as provocative?"

I will do. For the record I like Ralph. We fell out once but I was happy we made up. We'be known each other for ten years. If I think he's stubborn and hyper-sensitive on the subject of arsenal only,  which I do, I Don't take that as insulting, provocative or trolling nor does it mean I do not respect his views or dislike him. my test is usually would I say it face to face and yes I would, and wouldn't expect to fall out over it.

We're not going to fall out again Rich, well not over football anyway.

Not sure about John Cross being a fan although we do have a few weird ones.

[BigAdz]

Blimey.Not stirring and not flaming. cross is the mirrors football correspondent and arsenal fan. Wrote a biography of Wenger that I enjoyed reading. It was broadly supportive of Wenger and very interesting..Why wouldn't I stick interesting links up? I do on many many threads .There is much to admire about the club, Wenger and many of the excellent players. Not capitalising on this season, assuming they Don't , makes it quite difficult to be complimentary in the short term irrespective of who i support . Surely nothing here is unreasonable?

Well you sound very reasonable now. And almost shocked at how your remarks could possibly have been misinterpreted!
Perhaps just read back what you have actually written tonight and ask yourself, "could this be seen as provocative?"

I will do. For the record I like Ralph. We fell out once but I was happy we made up. We'be known each other for ten years. If I think he's stubborn and hyper-sensitive on the subject of arsenal only,  which I do, I Don't take that as insulting, provocative or trolling nor does it mean I do not respect his views or dislike him. my test is usually would I say it face to face and yes I would, and wouldn't expect to fall out over it.

We're not going to fall out again Rich, well not over football anyway.

Not sure about John Cross being a fan although we do have a few weird ones.

Ralph. I do think that when you call me out out for trolling you should be very careful about doing the self same thing.

I have tried on many occasions to throw the olive branch and every time you ignore it.

As our esteemed golf expert has done tonight, I am only trying to establish when enough is enough to a fan like yourself. As it's been said, you trust him to make the right decisions for everyone, but that has been 12 years now.

Too me, it's like a friend who let you down  11 years ago. He treated his wonderful wife poorly. They had been successful together and saved up to move to a beautiful big new house, and then when they got there, he never bought the new furniture a place like that deserved. the wife grew slowly despondent, and despite all your other friends offering the same advice, year on year, he didn't change the furniture, just buying the odd new kettle or a used beaten up old Hoover. The once beautiful wife, so full of promise, looks tired and sad in her wonderful house. She can't leave, she is too loyal. As the years roll by you get tired and angry at seeing the same mistakes, and start to give up on that friend, because he has dragged that beautiful woman down to a shadow of her former self. Yes, she still looks good in certain light, but she should have shone. She should have blossomed as your friend filled the beautiful new house with ponderous treasures. He never did and as you are now past your best, you know it is too late for him too.

You will never be able to party with him like you used to, and nearly all your friends agree, bar the blindly loyal one, or two,that it would be better to divorce her and let a younger man have that chance to let his wife shine, before it's too late, and all his friends desert him.

If he leaves her, he can still stick around. All his friends will love him for it, because he is doing the right thing. Yes, it's sad, but the reality is he and his wife grew apart, they needed different things.but this way, everyone can see a way forward become it becomes too acrimonious.

Maybe then too, the friends that fell out about how he treated his wife can put this all behind them, and all be the good bunch of mates they once were, just celebrating the good times.

Maybe she will become like Elizabeth Taylor, and end up marrying again several times in her quest for happiness, but that's for the future. That's another chapter.

[jakally]

I don't advocating him resigning now as I don't think that does anyone any favours but he should certainly go in the summer in my opinion.

What would it take for you to lose faith and feel that him leaving would be a better option?

My stance has always been that he deserves to choose when is the right time to go.

I think we owe him at least that and we can trust him to do the right thing.

I was working for a company 25 years ago which was doing ok, but was lacking energy and direction and significantly underperforming.
They brought in a new Managing Director, who changed personnel, attitudes and objectives.
Within 5 years or so, turnover and profit were both more than doubled, and the company was thriving. Less than 2 years later the MD was gone.

Apart from the original owner, he had been the most important person in the company's history. His contribution was immense. His skillset was ideal for the business at the time he joined, (energetic, dynamic, decision maker, not afraid to be unpopular with staff/customers in the short term).
However, he wasn't the best person to take the company through it's next 5 years.

Arsene Wenger appears to be in a similar spot.
The problem with letting him choose when it is the right time to go, is that this decision affects a lot of other people, and not just him.
I'm not well enough versed on the subject of Arsenal FC to know if replacing him is the best move, but I feel I know enough about management to know that it should definitely not be his decision.

[redsimon]

As a neutral, I would like to say, if Wenger can't win the title this season. Then he can't win it any season. And for that reason alone, he should go in the summer.

This, though I still think they might nick it

[exstream]

When tighty posts a link to discuss in other football threads nobody whines then
very oversensitive people in this thread lol

[bookiebasher]

As a neutral, I would like to say, if Wenger can't win the title this season. Then he can't win it any season. And for that reason alone, he should go in the summer.

I said it at the start of the season , he needed to change his ways and spend big for a centre half and a striker who could get him 20 goals a season.

I am a big Wenger fan , love watching them play and they might still pull it off but that will only be because of other teams
ineptitude.

Do think he should go gracefully in the summer if he can't win the poorest Premiership , in terms of quality , for many a year.

[DungBeetle]

As a neutral, I would like to say, if Wenger can't win the title this season. Then he can't win it any season. And for that reason alone, he should go in the summer.

I said it at the start of the season , he needed to change his ways and spend big for a centre half and a striker who could get him 20 goals a season.

I am a big Wenger fan , love watching them play and they might still pull it off but that will only be because of other teams
ineptitude.

Do think he should go gracefully in the summer if he can't win the poorest Premiership , in terms of quality , for many a year.

Not sure that having 2 teams run away with is means "high quality".  It can be argued that it is the strongest Premiership in terms of strength of depth ever.  I think it is easier for Barca/Madrid to win their league as it stands than it is for Arsenal this year.

[Karabiner]

As a neutral, I would like to say, if Wenger can't win the title this season. Then he can't win it any season. And for that reason alone, he should go in the summer.

I said it at the start of the season , he needed to change his ways and spend big for a centre half and a striker who could get him 20 goals a season.

I am a big Wenger fan , love watching them play and they might still pull it off but that will only be because of other teams
ineptitude.

Do think he should go gracefully in the summer if he can't win the poorest Premiership , in terms of quality , for many a year.

Can you name me one world-class striker or defender who we could have acquired in the summer Jamie? Chelsea offered £50M for Stones.

LVG was desperate for a top defender and couldn't find one either and he ended up taking a massive punt(which seems to be working out fine) on Martial as he was the only striking option.

[Nakor]

I don't advocating him resigning now as I don't think that does anyone any favours but he should certainly go in the summer in my opinion.

What would it take for you to lose faith and feel that him leaving would be a better option?

My stance has always been that he deserves to choose when is the right time to go.

I think we owe him at least that and we can trust him to do the right thing.

This has always been my sentiment, but each week/season chips away at that belief.

Not all legacy's have a happy ending I guess.

[horseplayer]

As a neutral, I would like to say, if Wenger can't win the title this season. Then he can't win it any season. And for that reason alone, he should go in the summer.

I said it at the start of the season , he needed to change his ways and spend big for a centre half and a striker who could get him 20 goals a season.

I am a big Wenger fan , love watching them play and they might still pull it off but that will only be because of other teams
ineptitude.

Do think he should go gracefully in the summer if he can't win the poorest Premiership , in terms of quality , for many a year.

Not sure that having 2 teams run away with is means "high quality".  It can be argued that it is the strongest Premiership in terms of strength of depth ever.  I think it is easier for Barca/Madrid to win their league as it stands than it is for Arsenal this year.

Atheltico would absolutley walk the Premier League this season Dung i have no doubts

[TightEnd]

Purely hypothetical

if Wenger were to leave in the summer, in whatever circumstances, what would the plan be? (when is Arsene's contract up?)

it wouldn't be steve bould would it?

with klopp and pep out of the frame someone like Simeone?

and just like succeeeding SAF its a huge task for anyone isn't it?