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« Reply #15 on: July 12, 2012, 06:00:38 AM »

As bad as the ruling is, the players response is as bad if not worse (prob worse imo). If that happened to me in a game and I were one of the 3 other players in the pot, firstly obviously i'd be fighting the corner of the 42 guy, secondly if i had the nuts / won the pot I would be snap giving the guy his money back.

Absolutely horrendous from the other players in the hand... i can just about accept floor staff making that ridic ruling, but scum-of-the-earth people calling for his hand to be live in such a clear spot like this is just theft.

Whilst i completely agree its hard when the ruling is made, and you have a roll under 50k$ to turn down 5k though. Can see many people saying I wouldn't when in actually its harder to turn it down in that spot!

If I had every penny I had in the world on the table i wouldn't even consider taking the guys $5k and i'd class anyone who even thinks about doing it a massive dick tbh
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« Reply #16 on: July 12, 2012, 06:19:13 AM »

There was an earlier thread on where do you draw the line on using the rules, this is a prime example. The floor has been put in an awkward spot here and the guy who asked for the ruling is totally using the letter of the rule here.

It is a terrible angle by the player but he is playing to the rule implemented by the Rio. I have no doubt everyone knew it was a joke but unfortunately there are players out there who will take total advantage of these type of things and insist the rule be enforced to their advantage.

Totally horrendous rule to enforce in this situation
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« Reply #17 on: July 12, 2012, 06:42:58 AM »

This definitely falls under rule 1, FFS have some common sense. Spirit of the game, fairness, simplicity and tradition are the paramount rules. TD is a chimp!
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« Reply #18 on: July 12, 2012, 06:54:10 AM »

This definitely falls under rule 1, FFS have some common sense. Spirit of the game, fairness, simplicity and tradition are the paramount rules. TD is a chimp!

It was a cash game Rich, but agree that commonsense has to be applied. Its this specific rule  of the Rio which is bad
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« Reply #19 on: July 12, 2012, 07:04:16 AM »

OK sorry, not TD then but floor is a raving chimp lol

Mike Caro got it right with his rules

SPIRIT OF THE GAME.
All rules shall be interpreted and all rulings shall be made with the intent that the spirit rather than the letter of the rule be followed, and the spirit of all rules is that the fairest possible outcome shall be achieved. At no time shall interpretation or strict application of a rule be used to achieve an unjust result. The spirit of the game shall be considered the best interest of the game.

BASIC PRINCIPLES OF RULES.
All rules shall be interpreted in the context of the four basic principles of Poker Rules: Fairness, Efficiency, Simplicity and Tradition. Given that the foregoing principles are considered, all rules shall be interpreted in favor of promoting action as opposed to inhibiting action.

DECISIONS FINAL.
The decision of the floorperson is final, and not subject to appeal.

GROUNDS FOR EXPULSION.
The following shall be grounds for immediate expulsion from the card room: verbally or physically threatening any patron or employee; destruction of cardroom property (including cards); throwing cards at an employee or patron. This list of grounds for expulsion is not all-inclusive; management shall always have the authority to expel a player for any grounds it deems reasonable.

PRIORITY OF PARAMOUNT RULES.
These Paramount Rules shall supersede all other rules.

PURPOSE OF RULES.
The purpose of rules is not to create a fixed regimen where there is a penalty for the slightest infraction, but rather to foster an environment where the game is honest and fair to all. Although a player is responsible to know the Rules of the game, it is not intended that an innocent or inexperienced player should be punished for his ignorance, but rather that the game be run in an efficient and impartial way. The Paramount Rules serve the spirit of the game, and all rules must be interpreted accordingly
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« Reply #20 on: July 12, 2012, 07:52:08 AM »

Just to be clear the board isn't right in OP, the J9 called with the second nut straight on a unpaired board

Best line is obv to call with the J9 and give the guy his money back
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« Reply #21 on: July 12, 2012, 08:20:28 AM »

Expensive lesson learned.
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« Reply #22 on: July 12, 2012, 10:39:50 AM »

Shouldn't expose cards when action hasn't finished.

Sandy

Shouldn't cost him 5k to find that out

The all in and the subsequent actions are horrendous . He did break the rules with players still to act though.

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« Reply #23 on: July 12, 2012, 04:40:31 PM »

My understanding is that the rules are considered guidelines for the T.D.s to use rather than to take literally on every account and that if required, Jack can apply common sense to assure the correct decision is made.
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« Reply #24 on: July 14, 2012, 10:48:46 PM »

This is EXACTLY the kind of thing I was asking about with the thread 'how far is ok with using the rules?'

I think a LOT of people would call for it when its $5k, what if its $50k+? obv then it gets into a whole nother level of security/ problems..

but surely the ruling/ behavior should be the same for $5 or $5mil?
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« Reply #25 on: July 14, 2012, 10:53:32 PM »

someone did this to me id never play with them again and make it a shard as possible for them to ever get in a game again. absolute scum and cheats/stealing money.

fuck their lives if 5k is this important for them in the grand scheme of things.

scum.
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« Reply #26 on: July 14, 2012, 11:52:37 PM »

Just to be clear the board isn't right in OP, the J9 called with the second nut straight on a unpaired board

Best line is obv to call with the J9 and give the guy his money back

He is reverse freerolling himself if he dos that.

Apparently thee guy to his left called for a ruling and when thee J9 went allin that guy said "OMG this is my pot".

Dwelld up for a couple of minutes and folded.

Quite possible that guy could have had KJ and the J9 player could lose his money with only the chance of winning the pot before thee allin.
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« Reply #27 on: July 14, 2012, 11:58:28 PM »

poker used to be a game of sportsmanship and fairplay, but lately theres been a lot of stories come out with really sheds the game in a bad light, and long term, it puts the game in jeopardy through new player loyalty to the game, and further push new players away from the game..

secondly, the person who shoved with J9 and didnt give the money back should be water boarded, if he wants the money that bad, he should become a rent boy and his image would probably be better, i would be disgusted with every other player on the table not taking umbridge with the outcome also, absolute disgrace
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« Reply #28 on: July 15, 2012, 12:00:03 AM »

poker used to be a game of sportsmanship and fairplay, but lately theres been a lot of stories come out with really sheds the game in a bad light, and long term, it puts the game in jeopardy through new player loyalty to the game, and further push new players away from the game..

secondly, the person who shoved with J9 and didnt give the money back should be water boarded, if he wants the money that bad, he should become a rent boy and his image would probably be better, i would be disgusted with every other player on the table not taking umbridge with the outcome also, absolute disgrace

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« Reply #29 on: July 15, 2012, 12:08:40 AM »

naivety at its best right? specifically speaking from personal experiences in live poker
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