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PizzicatoXev
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Re: Shove/Fold FT spot
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Reply #15 on:
July 24, 2012, 07:59:00 AM »
Quote from: PizzicatoXev on July 24, 2012, 04:38:13 AM
Quote from: TL900 on July 24, 2012, 04:24:23 AM
Quote from: PizzicatoXev on July 23, 2012, 07:53:28 PM
Quote from: dakky on July 23, 2012, 03:17:28 PM
payouts?
I folded and was fairly happy about it but when smokrokflock says its a def shove I have to consider it...
reasons?
Yeah wish I could answer that.../sigh
Ok... Finally got to talk to him about it just now and he didn't realise it was an ft hand...lol
We both ran it through an ICM calc and he came up with 88+ and I came up with JJ+
Ingame I shove wider than that so was deffo good to check that side out as it was even more of an icm fuck than I thought it was...
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dakky
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Re: Shove/Fold FT spot
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Reply #16 on:
July 24, 2012, 11:15:54 AM »
Quote from: PizzicatoXev on July 24, 2012, 07:59:00 AM
Quote from: PizzicatoXev on July 24, 2012, 04:38:13 AM
Quote from: TL900 on July 24, 2012, 04:24:23 AM
Quote from: PizzicatoXev on July 23, 2012, 07:53:28 PM
Quote from: dakky on July 23, 2012, 03:17:28 PM
payouts?
I folded and was fairly happy about it but when smokrokflock says its a def shove I have to consider it...
reasons?
Yeah wish I could answer that.../sigh
Ok... Finally got to talk to him about it just now and he didn't realise it was an ft hand...lol
We both ran it through an ICM calc and he came up with 88+ and I came up with JJ+
Ingame I shove wider than that so was deffo good to check that side out as it was even more of an icm fuck than I thought it was...
wow I really hate ICM. Needed the payouts to run it.
Either way, fold if you're playing to ladder, jam to win imo.
You get people to fold hands that are beating you 33-77 snap folds, 88 tanks- obv depends on image byt generally how loose are they going to call at FT for all the same reasons that ICM tells you to jam so tight: 99+ AKo AQs???
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TL900
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Re: Shove/Fold FT spot
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Reply #17 on:
July 24, 2012, 02:17:27 PM »
Quote from: PizzicatoXev on July 24, 2012, 07:59:00 AM
Quote from: PizzicatoXev on July 24, 2012, 04:38:13 AM
Quote from: TL900 on July 24, 2012, 04:24:23 AM
Quote from: PizzicatoXev on July 23, 2012, 07:53:28 PM
Quote from: dakky on July 23, 2012, 03:17:28 PM
payouts?
I folded and was fairly happy about it but when smokrokflock says its a def shove I have to consider it...
reasons?
Yeah wish I could answer that.../sigh
Ok... Finally got to talk to him about it just now and he didn't realise it was an ft hand...lol
We both ran it through an ICM calc and he came up with 88+ and I came up with JJ+
Ingame I shove wider than that so was deffo good to check that side out as it was even more of an icm fuck than I thought it was...
jeez, JJ+ seems mental tight. fucking ICM
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@MtSpewmore
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I wouldn't normally try so hard, but didn't have another opportunity I could wait for. I wasn't ready to surrender what I WANTED SO MUCH, that easily, I couldn't guarantee a call with me staying stoic and relying on a flinch "top pair" calling reflex.
rfgqqabc
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Re: Shove/Fold FT spot
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Reply #18 on:
July 24, 2012, 02:31:42 PM »
Quote from: dakky on July 24, 2012, 11:15:54 AM
Quote from: PizzicatoXev on July 24, 2012, 07:59:00 AM
Quote from: PizzicatoXev on July 24, 2012, 04:38:13 AM
Quote from: TL900 on July 24, 2012, 04:24:23 AM
Quote from: PizzicatoXev on July 23, 2012, 07:53:28 PM
Quote from: dakky on July 23, 2012, 03:17:28 PM
payouts?
I folded and was fairly happy about it but when smokrokflock says its a def shove I have to consider it...
reasons?
Yeah wish I could answer that.../sigh
Ok... Finally got to talk to him about it just now and he didn't realise it was an ft hand...lol
We both ran it through an ICM calc and he came up with 88+ and I came up with JJ+
Ingame I shove wider than that so was deffo good to check that side out as it was even more of an icm fuck than I thought it was...
wow I really hate ICM. Needed the payouts to run it.
Either way, fold if you're playing to ladder, jam to win imo.
You get people to fold hands that are beating you 33-77 snap folds, 88 tanks- obv depends on image byt generally how loose are they going to call at FT for all the same reasons that ICM tells you to jam so tight: 99+ AKo AQs???
ICM is there for a reason, jamming 22 is a disaster icm wise here, going for the win or not. These mistakes cost the most out of any situation.
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dakky
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Re: Shove/Fold FT spot
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Reply #19 on:
July 24, 2012, 02:48:29 PM »
Quote from: rfgqqabc on July 24, 2012, 02:31:42 PM
Quote from: dakky on July 24, 2012, 11:15:54 AM
Quote from: PizzicatoXev on July 24, 2012, 07:59:00 AM
Quote from: PizzicatoXev on July 24, 2012, 04:38:13 AM
Quote from: TL900 on July 24, 2012, 04:24:23 AM
Quote from: PizzicatoXev on July 23, 2012, 07:53:28 PM
Quote from: dakky on July 23, 2012, 03:17:28 PM
payouts?
I folded and was fairly happy about it but when smokrokflock says its a def shove I have to consider it...
reasons?
Yeah wish I could answer that.../sigh
Ok... Finally got to talk to him about it just now and he didn't realise it was an ft hand...lol
We both ran it through an ICM calc and he came up with 88+ and I came up with JJ+
Ingame I shove wider than that so was deffo good to check that side out as it was even more of an icm fuck than I thought it was...
wow I really hate ICM. Needed the payouts to run it.
Either way, fold if you're playing to ladder, jam to win imo.
You get people to fold hands that are beating you 33-77 snap folds, 88 tanks- obv depends on image byt generally how loose are they going to call at FT for all the same reasons that ICM tells you to jam so tight: 99+ AKo AQs???
ICM is there for a reason, jamming 22 is a disaster icm wise here, going for the win or not. These mistakes cost the most out of any situation.
So we have 12bb 8 handed. At what point is jamming ok, 10bb? 8bb? 7bb?
I don't think there is anything wrong with folding but bear in mind you're on 10bb after blinds have gone through, you have no FE on a re-steal and you will be desperate to see a pair then. You can't just jam any 2 OTB because it's unlikely to fold to you, but you might get a chance to jam wide from LP.
Advantage - less people to get through
Disadvantage - liable to be shoving something that could well be dominated.
At least that would give yio 27-30% instead of 20% I guess in that spot.I suppose in theory you could get a genuine hand but I am jaded and haven't luckboxxed good hands at the optimum time such as this for a long time!
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Nit Tendencies
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Is this some kind of hilarious practical joke?
Re: Shove/Fold FT spot
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Reply #20 on:
July 24, 2012, 06:22:58 PM »
foooooooooooooooold!
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SubZERO
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FINISH HIM!!!!! Babality
Re: Shove/Fold FT spot
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Reply #21 on:
July 25, 2012, 06:39:53 AM »
fold and its not that close imo
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LonOhRay
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Re: Shove/Fold FT spot
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Reply #22 on:
July 25, 2012, 08:31:37 PM »
Who is Smokrokflock anyway? Sounds like some chancer to me
I really need to open ICM calcs some more based on this
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cambridgealex
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Re: Shove/Fold FT spot
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Reply #23 on:
July 25, 2012, 10:39:39 PM »
Quote from: LonOhRay on July 25, 2012, 08:31:37 PM
Who is Smokrokflock anyway? Sounds like some chancer to me
I really need to open ICM calcs some more based on this
Elio Fox. Won WSOPE main event last year beating Moorman heads up. Confirmed absolute sicko.
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LonOhRay
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Re: Shove/Fold FT spot
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Reply #24 on:
July 25, 2012, 11:43:04 PM »
Quote from: cambridgealex on July 25, 2012, 10:39:39 PM
Quote from: LonOhRay on July 25, 2012, 08:31:37 PM
Who is Smokrokflock anyway? Sounds like some chancer to me
I really need to open ICM calcs some more based on this
Elio Fox. Won WSOPE main event last year beating Moorman heads up. Confirmed absolute sicko.
Ye, abs chancer
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pleno1
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Re: Shove/Fold FT spot
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July 26, 2012, 12:31:15 AM »
Hahaha
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Quote from: TightEnd on December 16, 2013, 12:59:59 AM
Worst playcalling I have ever seen. Bunch of fucking jokers . Run the bloody ball. 18 rushes all game? You have to be kidding me. Fuck off lol
TL900
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Re: Shove/Fold FT spot
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July 26, 2012, 08:21:15 AM »
Quote from: LonOhRay on July 25, 2012, 08:31:37 PM
Who is Smokrokflock anyway? Sounds like some chancer to me
I really need to open ICM calcs some more based on this
oh the levels this guy is on
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@MtSpewmore
Quote from: jgcblack
I wouldn't normally try so hard, but didn't have another opportunity I could wait for. I wasn't ready to surrender what I WANTED SO MUCH, that easily, I couldn't guarantee a call with me staying stoic and relying on a flinch "top pair" calling reflex.
dakky
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Re: Shove/Fold FT spot
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Reply #27 on:
July 26, 2012, 09:58:21 AM »
so, what is the cutoff for BB that we jam 22 UTG 8 handed?
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DMorgan
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Re: Shove/Fold FT spot
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July 26, 2012, 12:03:30 PM »
About 1.8ish
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