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« Reply #45 on: August 05, 2012, 10:55:07 PM »

if someone wants to see my hand then abso fine I'll just show them it cos 99% of the time if someone is asking then they aren't going to be advanced enough to properly process the information they'll get.

If anything me knowing that they have this info and having a pretty good idea they'll mis-use it is more of a disadvantage to them than an advantage so if they wanna do that to themselves they are more than welcome.

I've had this happen to me 5/6 times in the past. It has been done by;

1/2 Former 1k NL grinder, who whilst not A+ in my opinion, is obviously pretty dam good and has a significant advantage asking to see my hands when i will never see his. He even did this after I had said what i had before i called his all in.
3/4/5; Random retard asking to see, tilting his nuts off
6; Guy who runs regular 2/5 5/10 gbp Home Games in Essex, complete fish imo, but other friends of mine rated him, so probably gained something.


7; All in pre with a mate, when action went, raise/flat/ i flat 66/ flat/ best mate 3bs/ OR fold/ fold/ I jam/ he snaps with Q2s and fish asks to see our hands. Never felt so sketchy in my life, but how the hell do i explain that I know that he knows that i know that this guy was folding to the 3b 100% of the time. Just brutal.

In general it is the most misapplied rule in every casino. I kicked up enough of a fuss to have it used 5x more sparingly, although regulars still spout off about using it for info, which is super tilting.

edit: happened like 5/6 times @ showdown in HU pot and once all in pre in situation 7.
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« Reply #46 on: August 05, 2012, 11:39:14 PM »

So annoying when you call a river bet, opponent mucks so you dont get to see but you have to show your hand to claim the pot?,!

Surely if they muck then you should be able to too. Yes i know the collusion arguments and chip passing possibilities etc. but meh whatever.
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« Reply #47 on: August 05, 2012, 11:47:05 PM »

If I get called then I'll show.

If I call then I wait for opp to show/fold. No showing until their hand is confirmed mucked/dead/shown.

If I show and have a winner I'll never ask to see opponents cards.

Simple.
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« Reply #48 on: August 06, 2012, 03:14:39 AM »

If I get called then I'll show.

If I call then I wait for opp to show/fold. No showing until their hand is confirmed mucked/dead/shown.
If I show and have a winner I'll never ask to see opponents cards.

Simple.

Whenever I've done this, I get told things like....
"but I told you I had A high, why did you slowroll me with your 2nd pair?"
and
"you what mate? I've told you what I've got just show your hand first......."


Then im made out to be a bad guy for waiting to let them do whatever they want with their hand, I've even said "its up to you, muck or show, I don't mind..."

And they think im playing mind games.
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« Reply #49 on: August 06, 2012, 03:37:48 AM »

If I get called then I'll show.

If I call then I wait for opp to show/fold. No showing until their hand is confirmed mucked/dead/shown.
If I show and have a winner I'll never ask to see opponents cards.

Simple.

Whenever I've done this, I get told things like....
"but I told you I had A high, why did you slowroll me with your 2nd pair?"
and
"you what mate? I've told you what I've got just show your hand first......."


Then im made out to be a bad guy for waiting to let them do whatever they want with their hand, I've even said "its up to you, muck or show, I don't mind..."

And they think im playing mind games.

Even at stupid o'clock you still make me smile Smiley
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« Reply #50 on: August 06, 2012, 03:57:41 AM »

In the bad form camp


How about calling all ins on rivers with effective nuts?

I 100% insta-table my hand after calling
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« Reply #51 on: August 06, 2012, 10:05:49 AM »

If I get called then I'll show.

If I call then I wait for opp to show/fold. No showing until their hand is confirmed mucked/dead/shown.

If I show and have a winner I'll never ask to see opponents cards.

Simple.

Everyone should act like this.
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« Reply #52 on: August 06, 2012, 01:23:02 PM »

If I get called then I'll show.

If I call then I wait for opp to show/fold. No showing until their hand is confirmed mucked/dead/shown.

If I show and have a winner I'll never ask to see opponents cards.

Simple.

Everyone should act like this.

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« Reply #53 on: August 06, 2012, 03:34:00 PM »

tilts me pretty hard when people ask to see my hand, especially when its a guy who probably won't even use that information profitably in any way against me. Its just rude imo
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« Reply #54 on: August 06, 2012, 03:58:29 PM »

tilts me pretty hard when people ask to see my hand, especially when its a guy who probably won't even use that information profitably in any way against me. Its just rude imo
Did I ask to see your hand before. But definatly all of the above will have been correct.
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« Reply #55 on: August 06, 2012, 04:25:43 PM »

tilts me pretty hard when people ask to see my hand, especially when its a guy who probably won't even use that information profitably in any way against me. Its just rude imo

Just snap show them and remember to level them next time.
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« Reply #56 on: August 06, 2012, 04:39:45 PM »

tilts me pretty hard when people ask to see my hand, especially when its a guy who probably won't even use that information profitably in any way against me. Its just rude imo
Did I ask to see your hand before. But definatly all of the above will have been correct.

I don't remember it if you did sir.


Also, the most annoying thing is when you call otr and people show you a winning hand and you say 'that's good' then they ask to see your losing hand and what you called with. Could rant all day about this sorta stuff. One of my pet peeves in poker
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« Reply #57 on: August 06, 2012, 05:01:23 PM »

if someone wants to see my hand then abso fine I'll just show them it cos 99% of the time if someone is asking then they aren't going to be advanced enough to properly process the information they'll get.

If anything me knowing that they have this info and having a pretty good idea they'll mis-use it is more of a disadvantage to them than an advantage so if they wanna do that to themselves they are more than welcome.

I've had this happen to me 5/6 times in the past. It has been done by;

1/2 Former 1k NL grinder, who whilst not A+ in my opinion, is obviously pretty dam good and has a significant advantage asking to see my hands when i will never see his. He even did this after I had said what i had before i called his all in.
3/4/5; Random retard asking to see, tilting his nuts off
6; Guy who runs regular 2/5 5/10 gbp Home Games in Essex, complete fish imo, but other friends of mine rated him, so probably gained something.


7; All in pre with a mate, when action went, raise/flat/ i flat 66/ flat/ best mate 3bs/ OR fold/ fold/ I jam/ he snaps with Q2s and fish asks to see our hands. Never felt so sketchy in my life, but how the hell do i explain that I know that he knows that i know that this guy was folding to the 3b 100% of the time. Just brutal.

In general it is the most misapplied rule in every casino. I kicked up enough of a fuss to have it used 5x more sparingly, although regulars still spout off about using it for info, which is super tilting.

edit: happened like 5/6 times @ showdown in HU pot and once all in pre in situation 7.

I think all hands should be tabled when you're all in whether it's cash or tournament...
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« Reply #58 on: August 06, 2012, 05:06:55 PM »

tilts me pretty hard when people ask to see my hand, especially when its a guy who probably won't even use that information profitably in any way against me. Its just rude imo
Did I ask to see your hand before. But definatly all of the above will have been correct.

I don't remember it if you did sir.


Also, the most annoying thing is when you call otr and people show you a winning hand and you say 'that's good' then they ask to see your losing hand and what you called with. Could rant all day about this sorta stuff. One of my pet peeves in poker

Oh god that's the worst.
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« Reply #59 on: August 06, 2012, 05:12:24 PM »

happened to me on Fri night was fuking raging..
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