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[redsimon]

4 or 5 PLO running? More details stakes etc please?

I find it hard to play midweek but might be interested now and again if my work diary allows.

As low as beginners tables with 50p/50p and as high as you want, part of a promotion of PLO mentioned in the main dtD thread I think.

[TightEnd]

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http://www.dusktilldawncasinonottingham.com/omaha-cash-game-night.php

From 8pm every Wednesday. All low to mid levels, on request/demand

[Honeybadger]

I think that PLO lends itself alot more to low-medium stakes live poker, rather than NLH which at the top end as Stu pointed out in his succinct post  is very high intensity and and relatively pre-flop focused. Really wouldn't be surprised if the bulk of live action shifts away from NLH.

I strongly agree with this. No Limit Hold'em is just a very, very bad game from the perspective of sustaining good games that give recreational players the perception of having a fighting chance. It is intrinsically flawed, since it is too 'cut-throat' by nature, and the edge good players have over weak players is too large - the recs don't have a punchers chance. And I say this as someone who loves NLHE and has played well over a million hands of 6max NL online, as well as regularly playing live NLHE for much of my poker career (although I am primarily a mixed game player). I am intending to write a post on this subject on my thread fairly soon.

[Woodsey]

I think that PLO lends itself alot more to low-medium stakes live poker, rather than NLH which at the top end as Stu pointed out in his succinct post  is very high intensity and and relatively pre-flop focused. Really wouldn't be surprised if the bulk of live action shifts away from NLH.

I strongly agree with this. No Limit Hold'em is just a very, very bad game from the perspective of sustaining good games that give recreational players the perception of having a fighting chance. It is intrinsically flawed, since it is too 'cut-throat' by nature, and the edge good players have over weak players is too large - the recs don't have a punchers chance. And I say this as someone who loves NLHE and has played well over a million hands of 6max NL online, as well as regularly playing live NLHE for much of my poker career (although I am primarily a mixed game player). I am intending to write a post on this subject on my thread fairly soon.

Tbh, I'm just fkn bored with live holdem now. Would rather fire up a bunch of tourneys online than sit there for an hour waiting for a hand to play.live.

[david3103]

I think that PLO lends itself alot more to low-medium stakes live poker, rather than NLH which at the top end as Stu pointed out in his succinct post  is very high intensity and and relatively pre-flop focused. Really wouldn't be surprised if the bulk of live action shifts away from NLH.

I strongly agree with this. No Limit Hold'em is just a very, very bad game from the perspective of sustaining good games that give recreational players the perception of having a fighting chance. It is intrinsically flawed, since it is too 'cut-throat' by nature, and the edge good players have over weak players is too large - the recs don't have a punchers chance. And I say this as someone who loves NLHE and has played well over a million hands of 6max NL online, as well as regularly playing live NLHE for much of my poker career (although I am primarily a mixed game player). I am intending to write a post on this subject on my thread fairly soon.

Tbh, I'm just fkn bored with live holdem now. Would rather fire up a bunch of tourneys online than sit there for an hour waiting for a hand to play.live.

Widen your range?

[ruud]

One of the big things that personally has a large influence on me is the opening hours, I was used to the late 4:30, 5:30 openings, and was very surprised when this changed to around 3am.

Me and a couple of friends usually travel up for a weekend so when we do we really want to get as much poker in as possible, obviously when the tournaments are running and just because of the way cash games run, it isn't really possible very often to get games going early afternoon, so we usually want to be able to play as late as possible instead to get the most out of our trip, the early closes really don't cater for this, and the last couple of times I've been at the club and the games have finished at 3ish, this has always confused me because almost everyone on my table had wanted to carry on.  I'd guess the majority of weekend visitors usually have travelled a bit further than weekday visitors and have probably paid for a hotel, travel etc so I'd expect there would be quite a decent section of weekend customers who would also want and be incentivised by later openings.

Suggestion is open later on weekends? As I can understand its probably not financially viable to be open late every weeknight with the current numbers anyway.

Also whilst on this point, I think the same should apply for 'running it twice' I think this should be allowed on all games, and all quirky sorta stuff like this should be allowed, if a player has seen this happen on TV they probably want to do it as well, even if they don't understand why, it's all probably added excitement and fun to the players and offers something different to games elsewhere.

agreed

[Woodsey]

I think that PLO lends itself alot more to low-medium stakes live poker, rather than NLH which at the top end as Stu pointed out in his succinct post  is very high intensity and and relatively pre-flop focused. Really wouldn't be surprised if the bulk of live action shifts away from NLH.

I strongly agree with this. No Limit Hold'em is just a very, very bad game from the perspective of sustaining good games that give recreational players the perception of having a fighting chance. It is intrinsically flawed, since it is too 'cut-throat' by nature, and the edge good players have over weak players is too large - the recs don't have a punchers chance. And I say this as someone who loves NLHE and has played well over a million hands of 6max NL online, as well as regularly playing live NLHE for much of my poker career (although I am primarily a mixed game player). I am intending to write a post on this subject on my thread fairly soon.

Tbh, I'm just fkn bored with live holdem now. Would rather fire up a bunch of tourneys online than sit there for an hour waiting for a hand to play.live.

Widen your range?

= doing my bollocks

[zerofive]

Julian

You are absolutely right.

Run it twice is very very bad for the game in so many ways.

Disagree. Obviously there would have to be criteria for doing so to avoid it happening with every all-in, but it's not suggested very often anyway. Regs will use it sparingly and it the right situations, fish will get it all-in lighter because they know they have a chance of seeing ten cards and not five which is more exciting for them. Tried and tested.

[Woodsey]

Julian

You are absolutely right.

Run it twice is very very bad for the game in so many ways.

Disagree. Obviously there would have to be criteria for doing so to avoid it happening with every all-in, but it's not suggested very often anyway. Regs will use it sparingly and it the right situations, fish will get it all-in lighter because they know they have a chance of seeing ten cards and not five which is more exciting for them. Tried and tested.

Maybe if the pot is above a certain value or summat? 1k maybe?

[gouty]

I get that point but at the same time I think Rabbit hunting is one of the best things for a poker game.

Player folds flop and says "next card?" the dealer quickly bangs the turn card over then gets on with shuffling for the next hand, with good dealers it barely slows it down imo

I think rabbit hunting can sometimes make weaker players tilt. It just seems a bit unprofessional to me somehow? Like a home game.

i dont think it makls them tilt personally, not from my experiences people just like to see. I kinda like to see sometimes as well lol I get it. I do get the point though Gouty

Actually I agree a bit with Julian about RIT, would be better if no1 knew it was an option. I never (or at least very rarely) run it twice for the reasons Julian stated but I know a lot of people like it... on the fence.

Also, why is being like a home game a bad thing?

Purely integrity.

The things that make the game fun often don't go down well in licensed casinos. I had that same thing as you where I never bet a guys last £28 with nuts in a £1000 pot. They tried to consider my hand void.

Always better to keep it simple I think. What happens in those big games in Vegas? Can't see you asking for rabbits there or am I wrong?

[blueace]

i used to frequent the 1/2 game but wasn't beating it & as a consequence wasn't enjoying it & it must be getting on for a year since i've played cash at DTD (yes i game selected poorly).
stuarts OP has opened my eyes to what i couldn't articulate, namely that the game was too competitive & played way bigger than a 1/2 should.

Respect to Mr T for the honesty in this. I too haven't played 1/2 at dtd for a while, and if I'm honest probably for much the same reason.
(Still play 50/1 and omaha and v.occasionally 1/2 for fun)
Yet when I travel, I will always sit and play 1/2 and consistently win. It's not DTD's fault that the make up of their tables differs somewhat to
a city centre casino and I cant see what can be done to attract the likes of Mr T back to the 1/2 cash games.
I visited the Vic on monday evening, and the cash games were alive and buzzing. One thing that unfortunately DTD is never going to be able
to match is the vast player pool they have. Each time a player goes bust there's a constant supply of new players ready to give it a go.

[jgcblack]

Julian

You are absolutely right.

Run it twice is very very bad for the game in so many ways.

Disagree. Obviously there would have to be criteria for doing so to avoid it happening with every all-in, but it's not suggested very often anyway. Regs will use it sparingly and it the right situations, fish will get it all-in lighter because they know they have a chance of seeing ten cards and not five which is more exciting for them. Tried and tested.

Maybe if the pot is above a certain value or summat? 1k maybe?

maybe look to make it fair across all games.. 400bb??

[SuuPRlim]

I get that point but at the same time I think Rabbit hunting is one of the best things for a poker game.

Player folds flop and says "next card?" the dealer quickly bangs the turn card over then gets on with shuffling for the next hand, with good dealers it barely slows it down imo

I think rabbit hunting can sometimes make weaker players tilt. It just seems a bit unprofessional to me somehow? Like a home game.

i dont think it makls them tilt personally, not from my experiences people just like to see. I kinda like to see sometimes as well lol I get it. I do get the point though Gouty

Actually I agree a bit with Julian about RIT, would be better if no1 knew it was an option. I never (or at least very rarely) run it twice for the reasons Julian stated but I know a lot of people like it... on the fence.

Also, why is being like a home game a bad thing?

Purely integrity.

The things that make the game fun often don't go down well in licensed casinos. I had that same thing as you where I never bet a guys last £28 with nuts in a £1000 pot. They tried to consider my hand void.

Always better to keep it simple I think. What happens in those big games in Vegas? Can't see you asking for rabbits there or am I wrong?

In Vegas big games (talking $50/$100+) the dealers do w/e the fuck the players  want basically. Most of the time in those games the players are experienced enough to "manage" the game themselves. For example, millionaire Saudi sat there with $80,000 wants to see the turn card you really think any of the 6 pro's in the game are going to say no? I would personally allow anyone to rabbit as I don't care but you get the point.

People run it twice/three time/four times do deals, chop pots, give people $x to fold, throw people money off stacks etc honestly DTD 50p£1 games are much, much more "professional" than these games. You have to know how to handle yourself in this type of game, it's a way different type of environment.

Great thing about Vegas is dealers are taught that they are providing a "service" so if everyone at a table wants X then they can do it (within reason) without fear of getting in trouble. Not saying that isn't the case in the Uk but people are way way more uptight about the rules in the UK in my experience.

[SuuPRlim]

btw gouty i'm not saying ^^ is the right way for DTD to operate, just answering the question you asked as someone who has a decent chunk of experience there.

I get the point you're making very much, even made a post with very similar points in Alex's diary, I think personally there is a line that suits nicely in between but you have to trust the players/dealers to monitor and enforce where that line is. I'm not sure you can trust people to do that, in which case taking a 0 approach to this could well be the best option as you say.

I personally am still undecided and on the fence on the issue. I know which environment I like to play in but that doesn't make it the optimal one.

[gouty]

Nice posts Lil Dave. Cheers.

I think all in all dtd get cash games right at the festivals I have attended. There are always plenty too which is good. More importantly we always seem to have good fun up there which is a testament to the dealers and regs I suppose. The vic always seems a bit serious.

I am a bit of a nit for rules I suppose. Maybe I should chill about rabbiting. It just reminds me of self deal tenner rebuys in Cardiff 10 years ago. They were all at it. Hehe.