Markup??

[Marky147]

Its all done to jb anyway. Go for a new approach, you offer at 1.0 and anyone who wants to pay more can. Easy game. No ego from you then too

doing my best to take my ego out of it completely anyways atm.  I'm getting there with the personality supression/ adjustment... but I have a 'big' personality to deal with.  (notice didnt say a good one, just an inflated one)

I am wondering whether I go with my 'feeling' or 'brain' on the 1.0 for the heart; or 1.2 for the clear value to me as a player.

Seems a strange and interesting divide in the community to me.

Better hurry up and decide either way JB, the comp is in a month

[SuuPRlim]

It shows how ridic the mark up was when it didn't get even close to selling out. Better players sold their Vegas packages for a lot lower price & sold out.

also, putting expenses into packages are lol, nobody asked you to go to Prague to play poker. Free holiday just about then?

who is this even aimed at now?

with all due respect Aaron, you're arguing a point about a player you know nothing about with people who know a LOT more about poker than you and know the player in question very very well.

I fail to see why you continue to insist that was a bad value package when you have literally nothing to back it with

[kinboshi]

That was wazz and the thread ran and ran...

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/184/staking-selling-shares-live/ept-san-remo-package-742434/

Blimey. What a royal cock up that was!

[smashedagain]

That was wazz and the thread ran and ran...

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/184/staking-selling-shares-live/ept-san-remo-package-742434/

Blimey. What a royal cock up that was!

he's got a great moustache tho

[pleno1]

It shows how ridic the mark up was when it didn't get even close to selling out. Better players sold their Vegas packages for a lot lower price & sold out.

also, putting expenses into packages are lol, nobody asked you to go to Prague to play poker. Free holiday just about then?

who is this even aimed at now?

with all due respect Aaron, you're arguing a point about a player you know nothing about with people who know a LOT more about poker than you and know the player in question very very well.

I fail to see why you continue to insist that was a bad value package when you have literally nothing to back it with

but who is the prague free holiday aimed at.

[aaron1867]

It shows how ridic the mark up was when it didn't get even close to selling out. Better players sold their Vegas packages for a lot lower price & sold out.

also, putting expenses into packages are lol, nobody asked you to go to Prague to play poker. Free holiday just about then?

who is this even aimed at now?

with all due respect Aaron, you're arguing a point about a player you know nothing about with people who know a LOT more about poker than you and know the player in question very very well.

I fail to see why you continue to insist that was a bad value package when you have literally nothing to back it with

People are stuck on this saying "it's a soft field" and loads more silly sayings. You are playing the WSOP if you go deep, then you ae up against the very best players in the world & not to mention previous to that, you still need the massive amount of luck to get deep in that tournament. If you are saying that Daniel Morgan is a 1.6 player in any tournament, then Chris Brammer, Alex, Trigg and numerous more will be selling a package at 2.5.

You say I have nothing to back it up with, but everything speaks for itself. The package did not even come close to selling out & it's the only BAP I can remember that has never sold on Blonde. Furthermore you say I continue to insist it's a bad value package, but I have already mentioned that a lot of better players was already selling Vegas action for a lot lower, why would I buy in a player who is selling at a higher rate who I believe is not a better player than someone else who is selling a lot cheaper?

I can sit here and think I'm being harsh on Dan, but then I am of the opinion that he was genuinely trying to get pretty much a free meal ticket out of the stake.

Like I also said earlier, people are definitely rounding up there figures to suit. Players will sit there and get to the assumption that they are worth 1.12, then finally arrive at the figure of 1.2.

[aaron1867]

It shows how ridic the mark up was when it didn't get even close to selling out. Better players sold their Vegas packages for a lot lower price & sold out.

also, putting expenses into packages are lol, nobody asked you to go to Prague to play poker. Free holiday just about then?

who is this even aimed at now?

with all due respect Aaron, you're arguing a point about a player you know nothing about with people who know a LOT more about poker than you and know the player in question very very well.

I fail to see why you continue to insist that was a bad value package when you have literally nothing to back it with

but who is the prague free holiday aimed at.

It was an example Patrick as I knew there was a bunch of you that went to Prague.

If expenses are going to put into stakes, then why stop there? backers might as well pay for the whole thing.

Adding expenses to a stake is ridic. You are playing poker & still enjoying a break.

[Royal Flush]

Doubt I would sell for a anything less than 3.0 in WSOP main, in reality prob 4.0+ but that's a very unique tournament.

The way I see it is sell it at a price you would pay yourself. If I'm going to sell at 1.4 for something it's because if my mythical duplicate was selling at 1.4 I would buy. Now if someone came up to me and said 'hey I want to put you in the one drop at 2.0' then obv I would snap it, there is no way in hell though that I am going to try and sell to my friends and this community at that price.

[rfgqqabc]

It shows how ridic the mark up was when it didn't get even close to selling out. Better players sold their Vegas packages for a lot lower price & sold out.

also, putting expenses into packages are lol, nobody asked you to go to Prague to play poker. Free holiday just about then?

who is this even aimed at now?

with all due respect Aaron, you're arguing a point about a player you know nothing about with people who know a LOT more about poker than you and know the player in question very very well.

I fail to see why you continue to insist that was a bad value package when you have literally nothing to back it with

People are stuck on this saying "it's a soft field" and loads more silly sayings. You are playing the WSOP if you go deep, then you ae up against the very best players in the world & not to mention previous to that, you still need the massive amount of luck to get deep in that tournament. If you are saying that Daniel Morgan is a 1.6 player in any tournament, then Chris Brammer, Alex, Trigg and numerous more will be selling a package at 2.5.

You say I have nothing to back it up with, but everything speaks for itself. The package did not even come close to selling out & it's the only BAP I can remember that has never sold on Blonde. Furthermore you say I continue to insist it's a bad value package, but I have already mentioned that a lot of better players was already selling Vegas action for a lot lower, why would I buy in a player who is selling at a higher rate who I believe is not a better player than someone else who is selling a lot cheaper?

This shows how little you know. Did you consider the volume of action on blonde at this time? Just because 100ks worth of action went and it was sold @ 1.45 on average say, doesn't mean the guy priced higher at 1.6 isn't value, its just what the market has finite capital. I have a hard time believing Alex thinks his roi is 2x Dan Morgans. Never mind 2.5x. Please don't talk about people you know nothing about in such an insulting manner.

The highlighted text just says everything. YOU BELIEVE that a player who is better than Dan is selling at lower value. YOU BELIEVE. Maybe you aren't correct? I mean no one has the statistical data to present a solid argument proving Alex has a better roi due to sample size, so I find your rather ill informed opinion to be extremely incorrect. (sorry to pick on you guys here, just don't want to bring Brammer who is clearly an MTT monster into it)

[tight4better]

That was wazz and the thread ran and ran...

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/184/staking-selling-shares-live/ept-san-remo-package-742434/

Wow just read every page, what a mess.

[aaron1867]

It shows how ridic the mark up was when it didn't get even close to selling out. Better players sold their Vegas packages for a lot lower price & sold out.

also, putting expenses into packages are lol, nobody asked you to go to Prague to play poker. Free holiday just about then?

who is this even aimed at now?

with all due respect Aaron, you're arguing a point about a player you know nothing about with people who know a LOT more about poker than you and know the player in question very very well.

I fail to see why you continue to insist that was a bad value package when you have literally nothing to back it with

People are stuck on this saying "it's a soft field" and loads more silly sayings. You are playing the WSOP if you go deep, then you ae up against the very best players in the world & not to mention previous to that, you still need the massive amount of luck to get deep in that tournament. If you are saying that Daniel Morgan is a 1.6 player in any tournament, then Chris Brammer, Alex, Trigg and numerous more will be selling a package at 2.5.

You say I have nothing to back it up with, but everything speaks for itself. The package did not even come close to selling out & it's the only BAP I can remember that has never sold on Blonde. Furthermore you say I continue to insist it's a bad value package, but I have already mentioned that a lot of better players was already selling Vegas action for a lot lower, why would I buy in a player who is selling at a higher rate who I believe is not a better player than someone else who is selling a lot cheaper?

This shows how little you know. Did you consider the volume of action on blonde at this time? Just because 100ks worth of action went and it was sold @ 1.45 on average say, doesn't mean the guy priced higher at 1.6 isn't value, its just what the market has finite capital. I have a hard time believing Alex thinks his roi is 2x Dan Morgans. Never mind 2.5x. Please don't talk about people you know nothing about in such an insulting manner.

The highlighted text just says everything. YOU BELIEVE that a player who is better than Dan is selling at lower value. YOU BELIEVE. Maybe you aren't correct? I mean no one has the statistical data to present a solid argument proving Alex has a better roi due to sample size, so I find your rather ill informed opinion to be extremely incorrect. (sorry to pick on you guys here, just don't want to bring Brammer who is clearly an MTT monster into it)

You make a point here, but from what I can gather I would guess Alex has a better ROI than Dan as you see him cash pretty often. So I am pretty sure backing Alex would be far more value than a ridic 1.6 mark up.

Is it not a bit of a joke that he sees the average mark up and decides to market this a lot higher?

[peejaytwo]

Wow just read every page, what a mess.

i thought you meant this thread and was just gonna type  +1
just going round in circles.

Charge what you want .If people fancy a spin they will

/end thread (please)

[rfgqqabc]

It shows how ridic the mark up was when it didn't get even close to selling out. Better players sold their Vegas packages for a lot lower price & sold out.

also, putting expenses into packages are lol, nobody asked you to go to Prague to play poker. Free holiday just about then?

who is this even aimed at now?

with all due respect Aaron, you're arguing a point about a player you know nothing about with people who know a LOT more about poker than you and know the player in question very very well.

I fail to see why you continue to insist that was a bad value package when you have literally nothing to back it with

People are stuck on this saying "it's a soft field" and loads more silly sayings. You are playing the WSOP if you go deep, then you ae up against the very best players in the world & not to mention previous to that, you still need the massive amount of luck to get deep in that tournament. If you are saying that Daniel Morgan is a 1.6 player in any tournament, then Chris Brammer, Alex, Trigg and numerous more will be selling a package at 2.5.

You say I have nothing to back it up with, but everything speaks for itself. The package did not even come close to selling out & it's the only BAP I can remember that has never sold on Blonde. Furthermore you say I continue to insist it's a bad value package, but I have already mentioned that a lot of better players was already selling Vegas action for a lot lower, why would I buy in a player who is selling at a higher rate who I believe is not a better player than someone else who is selling a lot cheaper?

This shows how little you know. Did you consider the volume of action on blonde at this time? Just because 100ks worth of action went and it was sold @ 1.45 on average say, doesn't mean the guy priced higher at 1.6 isn't value, its just what the market has finite capital. I have a hard time believing Alex thinks his roi is 2x Dan Morgans. Never mind 2.5x. Please don't talk about people you know nothing about in such an insulting manner.

The highlighted text just says everything. YOU BELIEVE that a player who is better than Dan is selling at lower value. YOU BELIEVE. Maybe you aren't correct? I mean no one has the statistical data to present a solid argument proving Alex has a better roi due to sample size, so I find your rather ill informed opinion to be extremely incorrect. (sorry to pick on you guys here, just don't want to bring Brammer who is clearly an MTT monster into it)

You make a point here, but from what I can gather I would guess Alex has a better ROI than Dan as you see him cash pretty often. So I am pretty sure backing Alex would be far more value than a ridic 1.6 mark up.

Is it not a bit of a joke that he sees the average mark up and decides to market this a lot higher?

Yes but tournament variance dictates that if Alex and Dan both played 24 live tournaments a year for the next 100 years they wouldn't have a very strong sample size.

How can you call it ridiculous when you know literally nothing about Dan? It is for investors to decide, and if I had the right amount of capital DM would be an investment at 1.6markup in the main event. The average markup for the main event was probably ~1.45, so its hardly that out of whack Dan Morgan was so out of line. This is the guy that sold action for the 10k HU event if i recall correctly, so please don't talk about players abilities when you know absolutely nothing about them. This is the key here. The blonde market is a free market, people should post @ whatever they want. If someone was seen to abuse naive investors or see the start of a scam they would obviously be right to say something, but just because one person doesn't perceive an offer as value then it doesn't mean it isn't so. It is quite obvious someone like Rupert Elder uses the marketplace to make money, hunting around in those pesky auctions. I might take 5% in JB, that I'd class as a punt. Just because its not value for Rupert wouldn't mean it isn't value for me. This is what people evaluating marketplace packages need to understand, people have a varying ideas when it comes to staking, and as such a package that looks good to you might be horrific for me, because we have different goals/ideas/perceptions. You have no idea about Dan's background and you really should understand that as a pro he could easily find this extremely offensive. I find it best not to speak/argue about things I know nothing about. I might try to contribute, but if someone with more experience tells me I'm wrong, then I at least listen. I've been around 2+2/blonde staking boards for ages now, and generally choose to stay away from buying any action at all, because it is still a sellers marketplace, but that doesn't mean I feel I can go around telling Keys his markup is too high, I just don't buy. I don't understand why you would call Dan out knowing absolutely nothing about his poker background, and using a sample size that is probably less than 0.1% of what is truly needed to gain an idea of actual rois in these tournaments is equally ludicrous.

[pleno1]

I always fought arguments with people who said Aaron was a troll, I always insisted he was just clueless, but this thread has proved me wrong, so apologies to everybody.

"People are stuck on this saying "it's a soft field" and loads more silly sayings."

" I would guess Alex has a better ROI than Dan as you see him cash pretty often. So I am pretty sure backing Alex would be far more value than a ridic 1.6 mark up"

Amongst many others, just constantly in every thread being completely clueless and spoiling discussions and making the same people saying the same thing again and again and again.

[kinboshi]

Doubt I would sell for a anything less than 3.0 in WSOP main, in reality prob 4.0+ but that's a very unique tournament.

The way I see it is sell it at a price you would pay yourself. If I'm going to sell at 1.4 for something it's because if my mythical duplicate was selling at 1.4 I would buy. Now if someone came up to me and said 'hey I want to put you in the one drop at 2.0' then obv I would snap it, there is no way in hell though that I am going to try and sell to my friends and this community at that price.

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