Cheltenham 2013

[action man]

with a gun to my head id take MTOYT for the supreme over simonsig for the arkle

[The Camel]

with a gun to my head id take MTOYT for the supreme over simonsig for the arkle

2/1 would not be the bet of the season, it would be the bet of any season.

He's a stone or more in front of what a supreme novice winner would expect to be.

[The Camel]

But there's zero chance he's 2/1 if he lines up.

[action man]

so the question is how do we price him for the champion hurdle,  i reckon 7/1 CH 1/7 supreme is fair enough,

(my price keeps on drifting) 

[The Camel]

so the question is how do we price him for the champion hurdle,  i reckon 7/1 CH 1/7 supreme is fair enough,

(my price keeps on drifting) 

7/1 he runs in champion hurdle?

That's far too long.

3/1 would be my price.

[action man]

Looks like I've done my china rock dough as mouse says he's on his way to get thrashed in the gold cup again. Marv

[aaron1867]

For all MTOYT backers hope for decent conditions, backed the thing at 8/13 earlier in year and came 2nd in a race I thought it could not lose!

Did not like conditions at all.

[BigAdz]

Probably only needs Ferguson to say Cotton Mill bang on target for CH to get JP to go for CH.

Can you imagine how you would feel if you thrashed a horse, giving it weight, then it went and won biggest hurdle race of the year?!

[Marky147]

For all MTOYT backers hope for decent conditions, backed the thing at 8/13 earlier in year and came 2nd in a race I thought it could not lose!

Did not like conditions at all.

Untrained eyes, but conditions didn't look too great yesterday and he still hosed up.

[action man]

Probably only needs Ferguson to say Cotton Mill bang on target for CH to get JP to go for CH.

Can you imagine how you would feel if you thrashed a horse, giving it weight, then it went and won biggest hurdle race of the year?!

ADZ if mtoy lined up tommorow in the CH would he be your most likely winner?

[action man]

Afterall, lets remember zarkander won off 151 last year and didnt come close in the CH, albeit it scrambled home and wasnt as taking on the eye as MTOY was yesterday. Its very had to not let my pocket talk here, but i think i would still take the SN route. I just hope JP doesnt think its some kind of sick and twisted fate to lose his champion hurdle hopeful darlan in the same week as MTOY's rocks up and use sentiment to make his mind up. On the twist side adz, what if it flops in the CH and someone scrambles home in the supreme, thats gotta be just as sick

[BigAdz]

Probably only needs Ferguson to say Cotton Mill bang on target for CH to get JP to go for CH.

Can you imagine how you would feel if you thrashed a horse, giving it weight, then it went and won biggest hurdle race of the year?!

ADZ if mtoy lined up tommorow in the CH would he be your most likely winner?

If i knew he was defo going for the CH, I would have triple max on him at the odds on offer. Maybe I am looking through RTS, but he beat a quality field on ground he was supposed to struggle on, easily. We have a long way to go before we see the bottom of MTOY. I think that run on the heavy was a red herring.
Fly was beaten FAS by Ruby last year.
I think both Ruby and Grandouet will reverse with Zarkander.
Grandouet is the key to me. He strikes me as a good yardstick and if the Chemist lets MTOY take his place, its because he feels MTOY can hold his own vs Grandouet, which to me means he can beat him with normal improvement.

Long winded Yes!

[BigAdz]

Afterall, lets remember zarkander won off 151 last year and didnt come close in the CH, albeit it scrambled home and wasnt as taking on the eye as MTOY was yesterday. Its very had to not let my pocket talk here, but i think i would still take the SN route. I just hope JP doesnt think its some kind of sick and twisted fate to lose his champion hurdle hopeful darlan in the same week as MTOY's rocks up and use sentiment to make his mind up. On the twist side adz, what if it flops in the CH and someone scrambles home in the supreme, thats gotta be just as sick

Defo hear you AM. But this is where the Jezki factor kicks in. Before yest, he was clear fav. So without MTOY would be back with a favs chance.

Would quite like Puffin Billy to win today in a way(if he does win) that Sherwood thinks Neptune is logical route, then it becomes even more straightforward

[Karabiner]

That was not the real Hurricane Fly last year as he just wasn't right.

He didn't even get a run until after Xmas and surely nobody in their right mind thinks that last year's CH placings represent HF's true form.

Beaten fair and square on the day yes but the horse was a shadow of itself.

[action man]

That was not the real Hurricane Fly last year as he just wasn't right.

He didn't even get a run until after Xmas and surely nobody in their right mind thinks that last year's CH placings represent HF's true form.

Beaten fair and square on the day yes but the horse was a shadow of itself.

i dont know if i subscribe to that ralph. Mullins been saying he wasnt right last year, but in the build up to he race everything was fine according to mullins.
Whats to say that he didnt run to form last year? i mean its only been beating rubbish this season thats he's beaten before.