So who wants to fold this?

[Dubai]

I want a mathematical explanation as to why u dont want a call.

He says

"More than happy to take 800 chips uncontested at this point."

Why?

[Dubai]

I dont mind the all in move. Not sure if i would personally do it.

But if I did, I would be praying for a call here.

[TightEnd]

Don't you think you are just as likely to get a call if you move all in? It looks weaker than the minimum raise leaving a bit back. Anyway in most circumstances you are pushing the rest in on the flop anyway

[Dubai]

I would never min re-raise here. Its a horrible play imo. YOu either smooth call or move in.

My point is- If u move in, you should be praying for a call. And in no way at all is it +EV for him to pass for you.

[Dubai]

Id smooth call here 90% of time. Unless UTG is a complete calling station then u might as well move in as you know he isnt passing.

[NoflopsHomer]

Don't you think you are just as likely to get a call if you move all in? It looks weaker than the minimum raise leaving a bit back. Anyway in most circumstances you are pushing the rest in on the flop anyway

I'd flatcall, and checkraise all in on the flop. But I'd agree with Tighty's point.

[Newmanseye]

Id smooth call here 90% of time. Unless UTG is a complete calling station then u might as well move in as you know he isnt passing.

There is so much more to this than just the math, You might be a player that loosens up in order to get action when you have the monster. Dont be too quick to judge on what is the best move, although the way I play I would have them in so fast as I would have a person on automatic call for my verbal and playing junk and showing strategy I sometimes use.

I see no bad play in the move in, Taking the pot is fine at this point as one of the mugs will bust out soon.

[mikkyT]

I dont agree with noflops and tighty. Going all in, unless the player actually has a hand, he's going to go to stack defense and fold. Your not scaring him of with a smaller raise (or a smooth call). Hes the only other player on the table with a large stack. In this position of the tourney, his raise is just as likely to be a steal with a semi-decent to marginal holding.

One thing I either failed to notice, or wasnt mentioned is the level of the tourney, stake etc.

EDIT: Whoops, its a $55 STT on stars. So my points stay valid.

[Nem]

Is this a joke?

LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL

[Dubai]

Quote from: WellChief on Today at 02:46:03 am
Is this a joke?

That was a pretty accurate statement.

The original question should have been. How do i get ALL my opponents chips in the middle here?

[Newmanseye]

Quote from: WellChief on Today at 02:46:03 am
The original question should have been. How do i get ALL my opponents chips in the middle here?

Thats a very dangerous play, Remember that aces agains 4 players with random hands your aces are only %55 to stand up against the other hands.

I want it heads up, the move in is a good move IMHO

[bobby1]

Unless its a sat for a bigger tourney.

[mikkyT]

vs vs vs

AA Win: 48.11%
Tie: 0.08%

I don't want all my opponents to call here.

[Dubai]

"Thats a very dangerous play, Remember that aces agains 4 players with random hands your aces are only %55 to stand up against the other hands.

I want it heads up, the move in is a good move IMHO



Oh are the small blind and button going to reconsider their decision to fold then?

[WellChief]

LOL

He didn't mean how does he get everyone to go all in against him.  This would be impossible anyway unless he had some sort of time machine which could force the players who had passed to call the min raise.  If you read the original post, he is already heads up by the time the action gets to him.