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Topic: Hand v Sam Grafton at GUKPT London (Read 28287 times)
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Re: Hand v Sam Grafton at GUKPT London
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March 05, 2013, 01:55:50 PM »
Quote from: The Camel on March 05, 2013, 01:52:50 PM
Quote from: Tal on March 05, 2013, 01:50:08 PM
Just stay out of any games I play, you rampant lagtard.
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Re: Hand v Sam Grafton at GUKPT London
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March 05, 2013, 01:59:27 PM »
Self doubt isn't always a bad thing.
I would interested to hear Sam's honest assessment of how he thought I played for the other 8odd hours we played on the same table.
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Re: Hand v Sam Grafton at GUKPT London
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March 05, 2013, 02:10:02 PM »
Quote from: The Camel on March 05, 2013, 01:59:27 PM
Self doubt isn't always a bad thing.
I would interested to hear Sam's honest assessment of how he thought I played for the other 8odd hours we played on the same table.
self doubt is a terrible thing
self analysis is something quite positive
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Re: Hand v Sam Grafton at GUKPT London
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March 05, 2013, 02:43:18 PM »
Come and play the £100 at G Stockton this Saturday. It's way below your skill level and full of the local Gala regs who limp call J8 off pre.
3bets are rarer than hen's teeth on most tables and people will open fold QQ to a bet on an A high flop for 1/3 pot in level 1.
But
The service in the room is great, the banter can be good and if you listen to the hand analysis you'll get more laughs than are on offer in any three of the year's top-selling Comedy DVDs
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Re: Hand v Sam Grafton at GUKPT London
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March 05, 2013, 02:50:12 PM »
Quote from: david3103 on March 05, 2013, 02:43:18 PM
Come and play the £100 at G Stockton this Saturday. It's way below your skill level and full of the local Gala regs who limp call J8 off pre.
3bets are rarer than hen's teeth on most tables and people will open fold QQ to a bet on an A high flop for 1/3 pot in level 1.
But
The service in the room is great, the banter can be good and if you listen to the hand analysis you'll get more laughs than are on offer in any three of the year's top-selling Comedy DVDs
You are quite a salesman David!
I can't this week as I'm still down in London for the GUIPT which I'd preregistered for and can't withdraw from unfortunately!
Is it always first weekend of the month?
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Re: Hand v Sam Grafton at GUKPT London
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March 05, 2013, 03:01:53 PM »
Quote from: The Camel on March 05, 2013, 02:50:12 PM
Quote from: david3103 on March 05, 2013, 02:43:18 PM
Come and play the £100 at G Stockton this Saturday. It's way below your skill level and full of the local Gala regs who limp call J8 off pre.
3bets are rarer than hen's teeth on most tables and people will open fold QQ to a bet on an A high flop for 1/3 pot in level 1.
But
The service in the room is great, the banter can be good and if you listen to the hand analysis you'll get more laughs than are on offer in any three of the year's top-selling Comedy DVDs
You are quite a salesman David!
I can't this week as I'm still down in London for the GUIPT which I'd preregistered for and can't withdraw from unfortunately!
Is it always first weekend of the month?
Always second weekend of the month. Good luck in whatever it is you're playing.
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Re: Hand v Sam Grafton at GUKPT London
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March 05, 2013, 03:15:04 PM »
Quote from: The Camel on March 05, 2013, 12:17:42 PM
I have been lazy, I have done little/no work on my game, well, ever really.
Without trying to sound to egotistical, Sam and Rupert probably have no conception what a huge edge I had over the game 10 years ago.
Even online I was winning big as recently as 2009.
That clearly isn't the case now.
I do possess some intangibles (laughably called "live skills") which players who have played a fraction of the live hands I have cannot yet own.
For example Sam - the guy who bet blind on the river, there's no way I would paid him off in your spot. You've probably never been in that position before. You played super confidently all day, until that hand came up when you seemed totally lost.
I have watched maybe 10 poker videoes in my poker career. Never had a minutes coaching.
I am a pretty good learner though, despite my age.
I pick up new concepts quite quickly. I won a lot of cash when stars first introduced turbo heads up sngs because I adapted my game very fast.
Have I got it in me to improve? We shall see.
Perhaps we need a PHA version of Tips for Tikay... "Coaching for Camel" lol.
As depressing as it may be to you personally the attitude you show in this post is why you have been a long term winner at gambling Keith. You have to understand and be willing to accept when you are overmatched and not have the ego to let you lose everything. You are lucky that you still have the ability to win betting sports and you would still no doubt be able to crush smaller tourneys so why not just do that. If you feel like you won't earn enough then put the effort in on your game. When I first started playing poker years ago I was already a winning sports bettor and felt like it was pointless me playing the £1-2 games or £20 tournaments. It cost me a fortune. Years later i have realised I can beat the <£25 tournaments online and up to about £300 live so I play them. At the end of the day it is about earning money when it is your living. The trophies aren't worth much at cash converters anyway!!!!
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Re: Hand v Sam Grafton at GUKPT London
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March 05, 2013, 03:22:01 PM »
Lol, what's wrong with you Camel? If you really are plagued by self-doubt and think everybody is better than you then good idea to quit playing. I never heard of a winning player with those characteristics. Better idea to work on your mentality and get the eye of the tiger back you undoubtedly had in your prime. I don't know why you're looking for villain to massage your ego itt. I will break it down for you, the most important thing you said is being scared he had aces and set-mining with kings. So forget this elaborate trapping notion people are patting you on the back for.
The relaity in this hand is you were very active and clashed with another very active player. So the money shudda gone in pre without a second thought, but you choose to worry flat instead. When jamming is a very simple straightforward alterative. But instead you decide to create a 20k+ pot with less than that behind with a hand you aren't confident about vs a player you think is better. As it goes it was quite a well devised strat and I think you got unlucky to river set. So how does that mean this guy outplayed you? If you take this risky complicated route and it doesn't pay off you just shrug move on. Or you just jam pre and keep it simple. Either way if you're not playing kings with confidence vs gambol lag something is rotten in Denmark.
You have another comp next week so pull yourself together and stop being such a pussy is my advice.
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Re: Hand v Sam Grafton at GUKPT London
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March 05, 2013, 03:28:10 PM »
Quote from: MANTIS01 on March 05, 2013, 03:22:01 PM
Lol, what's wrong with you Camel? If you really are plagued by self-doubt and think everybody is better than you then good idea to quit playing. I never heard of a winning player with those characteristics. Better idea to work on your mentality and get the eye of the tiger back you undoubtedly had in your prime. I don't know why you're looking for villain to massage your ego itt. I will break it down for you, the most important thing you said is being scared he had aces and set-mining with kings. So forget this elaborate trapping notion people are patting you on the back for.
The relaity in this hand is you were very active and clashed with another very active player. So the money shudda gone in pre without a second thought, but you choose to worry flat instead. When jamming is a very simple straightforward alterative. But instead you decide to create a 20k+ pot with less than that behind with a hand you aren't confident about vs a player you think is better. As it goes it was quite a well devised strat and I think you got unlucky to river set. So how does that mean this guy outplayed you? If you take this risky complicated route and it doesn't pay off you just shrug move on. Or you just jam pre and keep it simple. Either way if you're not playing kings with confidence vs gambol lag something is rotten in Denmark.
You have another comp next week so pull yourself together and stop being such a pussy is my advice.
Not looking for him to pat me on the back at all.
Hoping he would point out any more glaring leaks actually.
If I was looking for ego massages, I would never have started this thread in the first place, would I?
Apart from that, you make some excellent and valid points.
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Re: Hand v Sam Grafton at GUKPT London
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March 05, 2013, 04:02:56 PM »
Far from me to say but here it is, Sam didn't beat you, you beat yourself. Keep your chin up.
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Re: Hand v Sam Grafton at GUKPT London
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March 05, 2013, 04:07:25 PM »
Quote from: bobAlike on March 05, 2013, 04:02:56 PM
Far from me to say but here it is, Sam didn't beat you, you beat yourself. Keep your chin up.
Quote from: The Camel on March 03, 2013, 06:36:37 PM
I'm not justifying my play at all.
I know I played it like a wanker.
Just explaining why I'm a wanker ITT.
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Re: Hand v Sam Grafton at GUKPT London
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March 05, 2013, 04:12:08 PM »
Quote from: MANTIS01 on March 05, 2013, 03:22:01 PM
Lol, what's wrong with you Camel? If you really are plagued by self-doubt and think everybody is better than you then good idea to quit playing. I never heard of a winning player with those characteristics. Better idea to work on your mentality and get the eye of the tiger back you undoubtedly had in your prime. I don't know why you're looking for villain to massage your ego itt. I will break it down for you, the most important thing you said is being scared he had aces and set-mining with kings. So forget this elaborate trapping notion people are patting you on the back for.
The relaity in this hand is you were very active and clashed with another very active player. So the money shudda gone in pre without a second thought, but you choose to worry flat instead. When jamming is a very simple straightforward alterative. But instead you decide to create a 20k+ pot with less than that behind with a hand you aren't confident about vs a player you think is better. As it goes it was quite a well devised strat and I think you got unlucky to river set. So how does that mean this guy outplayed you? If you take this risky complicated route and it doesn't pay off you just shrug move on. Or you just jam pre and keep it simple. Either way if you're not playing kings with confidence vs gambol lag something is rotten in Denmark.
You have another comp next week so pull yourself together and stop being such a pussy is my advice.
There isn't a professional poker player alive that hasn't at at least once seriously doubted their ability to beat the games.
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Re: Hand v Sam Grafton at GUKPT London
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March 05, 2013, 04:17:32 PM »
Quote from: DMorgan on March 05, 2013, 04:12:08 PM
Quote from: MANTIS01 on March 05, 2013, 03:22:01 PM
Lol, what's wrong with you Camel? If you really are plagued by self-doubt and think everybody is better than you then good idea to quit playing. I never heard of a winning player with those characteristics. Better idea to work on your mentality and get the eye of the tiger back you undoubtedly had in your prime. I don't know why you're looking for villain to massage your ego itt. I will break it down for you, the most important thing you said is being scared he had aces and set-mining with kings. So forget this elaborate trapping notion people are patting you on the back for.
The relaity in this hand is you were very active and clashed with another very active player. So the money shudda gone in pre without a second thought, but you choose to worry flat instead. When jamming is a very simple straightforward alterative. But instead you decide to create a 20k+ pot with less than that behind with a hand you aren't confident about vs a player you think is better. As it goes it was quite a well devised strat and I think you got unlucky to river set. So how does that mean this guy outplayed you? If you take this risky complicated route and it doesn't pay off you just shrug move on. Or you just jam pre and keep it simple. Either way if you're not playing kings with confidence vs gambol lag something is rotten in Denmark.
You have another comp next week so pull yourself together and stop being such a pussy is my advice.
There isn't a professional poker player alive that hasn't at at least once seriously doubted their ability to beat the games.
PH.
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Re: Hand v Sam Grafton at GUKPT London
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Reply #118 on:
March 05, 2013, 04:22:42 PM »
Quote from: skolsuper on March 05, 2013, 04:17:32 PM
Quote from: DMorgan on March 05, 2013, 04:12:08 PM
Quote from: MANTIS01 on March 05, 2013, 03:22:01 PM
Lol, what's wrong with you Camel? If you really are plagued by self-doubt and think everybody is better than you then good idea to quit playing. I never heard of a winning player with those characteristics. Better idea to work on your mentality and get the eye of the tiger back you undoubtedly had in your prime. I don't know why you're looking for villain to massage your ego itt. I will break it down for you, the most important thing you said is being scared he had aces and set-mining with kings. So forget this elaborate trapping notion people are patting you on the back for.
The relaity in this hand is you were very active and clashed with another very active player. So the money shudda gone in pre without a second thought, but you choose to worry flat instead. When jamming is a very simple straightforward alterative. But instead you decide to create a 20k+ pot with less than that behind with a hand you aren't confident about vs a player you think is better. As it goes it was quite a well devised strat and I think you got unlucky to river set. So how does that mean this guy outplayed you? If you take this risky complicated route and it doesn't pay off you just shrug move on. Or you just jam pre and keep it simple. Either way if you're not playing kings with confidence vs gambol lag something is rotten in Denmark.
You have another comp next week so pull yourself together and stop being such a pussy is my advice.
There isn't a professional poker player alive that hasn't at at least once seriously doubted their ability to beat the games.
PH.
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Re: Hand v Sam Grafton at GUKPT London
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March 05, 2013, 04:25:44 PM »
Quote from: The Camel on March 05, 2013, 04:22:42 PM
Quote from: skolsuper on March 05, 2013, 04:17:32 PM
Quote from: DMorgan on March 05, 2013, 04:12:08 PM
Quote from: MANTIS01 on March 05, 2013, 03:22:01 PM
Lol, what's wrong with you Camel? If you really are plagued by self-doubt and think everybody is better than you then good idea to quit playing. I never heard of a winning player with those characteristics. Better idea to work on your mentality and get the eye of the tiger back you undoubtedly had in your prime. I don't know why you're looking for villain to massage your ego itt. I will break it down for you, the most important thing you said is being scared he had aces and set-mining with kings. So forget this elaborate trapping notion people are patting you on the back for.
The relaity in this hand is you were very active and clashed with another very active player. So the money shudda gone in pre without a second thought, but you choose to worry flat instead. When jamming is a very simple straightforward alterative. But instead you decide to create a 20k+ pot with less than that behind with a hand you aren't confident about vs a player you think is better. As it goes it was quite a well devised strat and I think you got unlucky to river set. So how does that mean this guy outplayed you? If you take this risky complicated route and it doesn't pay off you just shrug move on. Or you just jam pre and keep it simple. Either way if you're not playing kings with confidence vs gambol lag something is rotten in Denmark.
You have another comp next week so pull yourself together and stop being such a pussy is my advice.
There isn't a professional poker player alive that hasn't at at least once seriously doubted their ability to beat the games.
PH.
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