Hand v Sam Grafton at GUKPT London

[SuuPRlim]

Alex said Phil Helmuth wouldn’t know or understand what Rupert and Sam have written itt. And that’s probably true. But without that level of thought how has Helmuth performed in donkathons?

The difference is if Helmuth played this hand the same way as Camel he would prob fist pump fold showing kk ott proclaiming he can dodge bullets baby. Don’t think he would sulk about how far behind the pace he is.

In any one live donkathon a pro will have a negligible edge over Camel. If you are card smart and experienced you can win one comp as readily as the next man. If there is going to be an edge it will come from confidence/attitude and a more lucid approach to moving chips around. This is easily solved for Camel. All he needs to do is remember he is The Camel.

It worries me when older guys talk about how they’ve lost it. It makes me think we lose our balls at some point. We have balls for a while and it feels good and then one day they are gone and our lives are never the same. We suddenly turn into old washer-women who worry about things.

These kids are on top of their game and high in confidence. How do we beat that? Confidence and attitude is a big thing in poker imo and you are already behind if you don’t bring your own swagger to the table. So I think Camel should remember who these guys are dealing with when they sit down at the table next time. You don't need to go back to school for hours to beat the odd donkathon. You just need to get the eye of the tiger back. I would use these rubdowns about how you could make it with a lot of work to bash these pesky kids up in the next comp really. If it doesn't work out let's be ready to go again. Eye of the tiger baby.

Hellmuth's huge attributes are literal unflappable confidence in himself, with good reason too, as whenever he's said "i'm the best" he's gone out and delivered on it. He reads live poker and plays against weak player pretty much flawlessly and has every gear as well, you all remember how absolutely ABSURD he played on the WSOPE final?? He's also (bar the odd explosion) seems to have excellent mental control as well, and I wouldn't be AT ALLL surprised if he had a much better understanding of all the theory stuff than you think. Obv he seems a bit fishy in cash games (I played with him in L.A in a nlhe game and he seemed a little un-able to accept that deepstacked and against good players he couldn't just run them over and his ego got a little the better of him) he had to prove he was the best the whole time whilst everyone else at the table didn't really care...

[NigDawG]

Don't underestimate the time it will take you to get your sandwich at the Vic though...

Karl must just win every thread.

Still stand by the overall point of people saying this is awful etc without any explanation isn't particularly helpful or people who think there is a clear cut right and wrong to most problems in poker. The fact that I am a ridiculous anti bok just proved to be a bonus

he won this one a while back ...

Play worse.

Officially my favourite type of contributor to this particular forum. Every post you make is enlightening us with the gospel of how we must play, and for that we are forever grateful. If poker was as simple as you seem to think from looking at your limited posts, we would all be millionaires by now. Presumably you already are.

nah i know it's just funny bcos it's jake lol

[AlexMartin]

No love for the 6b jam?

Reps enough AK for sammy to sigh call it off with JJ/QQ/AK and I don't think we really induce sammy to do much postflop by flatting when we obv just have a big hand. You may well be peeling the 4b with a ton of stuff Keith, but i'm pretty sure that sammy will just be giving you QQ+

 

think 6b jam is probably percieved to be wider than a flat, think in this spot thats definitely a good thing.

[pleno1]

most important part of the thread.

if we assume villain is 3betting light and expect him to 5bet light and want to construct a 4bet/[peel range we should do it with a strong range, including perhaps KK for range protection as well.

[rfgqqabc]

most important part of the thread.

if we assume villain is 3betting light and expect him to 5bet light and want to construct a 4bet/[peel range we should do it with a strong range, including perhaps KK for range protection as well.

I think this is probably a step too far, shouldn't our 4b range be pretty nutted (AKo/KK/AA (AQo for bluffs?)) as we can flick in a peel with lots of other hands and make good hands at an early stage.

We would have to be very comfortable to back ourselves to play a 5b pot correctly at this stage, mainly due to adrenaline etc, although i guess that comes with the ability to construct 5b peel ranges.

[julian]

interesting thread & if i were you keith i’d look on the whole piece as a useful nudge

if i had to make a list of the 10 best attributes that make up a winning tournament player i reckon i’d tick six, maybe seven boxes...i’ve recognised for many years now that i’m just not clever enough to be competitive versus a tough line-up anymore, but the reality is that rarely are there 1 or 2 of those spots on any of the tables i frequent these days & i think you’ll find that if you can do some things well you can get by without being the complete package

i've never constructed a range in my life (& i'm still not entirely sure how i would go about it), so maybe i get outplayed a few times without really understanding how i should have combated it, & yes oftentimes i read threads on the PHA board & won’t be confident enough to post, but hey; we both have a lot of experience under our belts & that counts for a lot...if i was in the business of backing players i’d happily have you on my books

you should try one of the training sites, i’ve signed up to runitonce, it’s def worth a spin & hey i gather sam now airs his dirty laundry on there...

ps. whether it were true or not it’s so refreshing to hear someone say they played like a wanker...i played like a wanker for the majority of tuesday & significant parts of saturday #boythatfeltgood

[tikay]

interesting thread & if i were you keith i’d look on the whole piece as a useful nudge

if i had to make a list of the 10 best attributes that make up a winning tournament player i reckon i’d tick six, maybe seven boxes...i’ve recognised for many years now that i’m just not clever enough to be competitive versus a tough line-up anymore, but the reality is that rarely are there 1 or 2 of those spots on any of the tables i frequent these days & i think you’ll find that if you can do some things well you can get by without being the complete package

i've never constructed a range in my life (& i'm still not entirely sure how i would go about it), so maybe i get outplayed a few times without really understanding how i should have combated it, & yes oftentimes i read threads on the PHA board & won’t be confident enough to post, but hey; we both have a lot of experience under our belts & that counts for a lot...if i was in the business of backing players i’d happily have you on my books

you should try one of the training sites, i’ve signed up to runitonce, it’s def worth a spin & hey i gather sam now airs his dirty laundry on there...

ps. whether it were true or not it’s so refreshing to hear someone say they played like a wanker...i played like a wanker for the majority of tuesday & significant parts of saturday #boythatfeltgood

You are far from alone there, Jules. I would say the huge majority are in the same boat. They - we, you, I - would be better players if we did, but it does not seem to have stopped many, you included, from doing rather well.

[The Camel]

interesting thread & if i were you keith i’d look on the whole piece as a useful nudge

if i had to make a list of the 10 best attributes that make up a winning tournament player i reckon i’d tick six, maybe seven boxes...i’ve recognised for many years now that i’m just not clever enough to be competitive versus a tough line-up anymore, but the reality is that rarely are there 1 or 2 of those spots on any of the tables i frequent these days & i think you’ll find that if you can do some things well you can get by without being the complete package

i've never constructed a range in my life (& i'm still not entirely sure how i would go about it), so maybe i get outplayed a few times without really understanding how i should have combated it, & yes oftentimes i read threads on the PHA board & won’t be confident enough to post, but hey; we both have a lot of experience under our belts & that counts for a lot...if i was in the business of backing players i’d happily have you on my books

you should try one of the training sites, i’ve signed up to runitonce, it’s def worth a spin & hey i gather sam now airs his dirty laundry on there...

ps. whether it were true or not it’s so refreshing to hear someone say they played like a wanker...i played like a wanker for the majority of tuesday & significant parts of saturday #boythatfeltgood

Thanks for this post Julian, a lot of good points you make.

I plan on doing quite a lot of work on stuff in the weeks after Cheltenham pre going to the WSOP.

It's my quietest time of the year for horse racing, so I should have lots of time to spare.

As for the UKIPT, I took on board a great deal of what Mantis said.

I stopped worrying so much about the opposition, and let them worry about me and played a bit like I used to 8-10 years ago.

Instead of them putting me in awkward spots, I tried to put them in positions where they had the tough decisions to make.

It didn't going totally smoothly, I got caught with my pants down a couple of times, but I must say I haven't enjoyed a day of playing as much as I did yesterday for a very very long time.

One stage I raised pre 6 hands in a row. Been a while since that happened!

[SuuPRlim]

i've never constructed a range in my life (& i'm still not entirely sure how i would go about it)

I'm pretty sure this isn't true Julian. You just don't call it "constructing a range" there's no new poker theory it's just the same old things the rounders did made geekier with slightly more complex maths and with new names.

If you've ever had a conversation abut a poker hand where you have say KQ and afterwards you ask yourself "what would I have done with AJ,,,mmm folded but I'd have defo gone all in with AQ" you've pretty much constructed a range right there. People like to make poker overly complex cos it makes them sounds cleverer.

Now, if you'll excuse me I've got some triple turn-range merging to do.

[tikay]

i've never constructed a range in my life (& i'm still not entirely sure how i would go about it)

I'm pretty sure this isn't true Julian. You just don't call it "constructing a range" there's no new poker theory it's just the same old things the rounders did made geekier with slightly more complex maths and with new names.

If you've ever had a conversation abut a poker hand where you have say KQ and afterwards you ask yourself "what would I have done with AJ,,,mmm folded but I'd have defo gone all in with AQ" you've pretty much constructed a range right there. People like to make poker overly complex cos it makes them sounds cleverer.

Now, if you'll excuse me I've got some triple turn-range merging to do.

Ha, so true.

The modern generation say "I put him on....." whereas peeps at my age call it "guessing what he has".

Same thing, some might say.

[Bad Beat]

 Why does nobody just come out and say it...

 Get a fucking job.

[julian]

i've never constructed a range in my life (& i'm still not entirely sure how i would go about it)

I'm pretty sure this isn't true Julian. You just don't call it "constructing a range" there's no new poker theory it's just the same old things the rounders did made geekier with slightly more complex maths and with new names.

If you've ever had a conversation abut a poker hand where you have say KQ and afterwards you ask yourself "what would I have done with AJ,,,mmm folded but I'd have defo gone all in with AQ" you've pretty much constructed a range right there. People like to make poker overly complex cos it makes them sounds cleverer.

Now, if you'll excuse me I've got some triple turn-range merging to do.

Ha, so true.

The modern generation say "I put him on....." whereas peeps at my age call it "guessing what he has".

Same thing, some might say.

point taken dave, but folding KQ/AJ, ru off your fkn rocker son?

& glgl keith if u got thru

[The Camel]

Why does nobody just come out and say it...

 Get a fucking job.

Who the fuck would employ me?

[Tal]

Why does nobody just come out and say it...

 Get a fucking job.

Who the fuck would employ me?

With that potty mouth, story checks out.

[The Camel]

most important part of the thread.

if we assume villain is 3betting light and expect him to 5bet light and want to construct a 4bet/[peel range we should do it with a strong range, including perhaps KK for range protection as well.

wtf is "range protection" when it's at home?