live 2/2 omaha spot

[dreenie]

if he's opening J765sing UTG in the FR pokers then I'd be getting it in vs him OTF, cos the sort of playeer who'd open that UTG wont generally just need the uber-mega hand to get his stack in here (sweeping generalization from me I understand but "generally speaking" I think that's pretty accurate)

or as Cos said in 1200 words less than me.

Yup I'm very happily getting it in here

Slightly off topic - Dave - when playing online Omaha 6 max, zoom, is it best to play a lot of post flop in general ? I seem to be able to spin up from small, but I tend to take aggro lines or run 2nd nuts vs nuts, at times I can hand read Omaha ok, then another time I lose my head and it all becomes pretty much a gamble.

Any advice pls?

How much do u charge for lessons? Xx

[SuuPRlim]

if he's opening J765sing UTG in the FR pokers then I'd be getting it in vs him OTF, cos the sort of playeer who'd open that UTG wont generally just need the uber-mega hand to get his stack in here (sweeping generalization from me I understand but "generally speaking" I think that's pretty accurate)

or as Cos said in 1200 words less than me.

Yup I'm very happily getting it in here

He didn't open, he flatted in late position. The UTG raiser folded the flop, op says this maybe I didn't make it clear. But yeah his hand shound never really see a flop.

OH RIGHT. Have I mis-read the HH cos that defo makes a difference

[jk1892]

if he's opening J765sing UTG in the FR pokers then I'd be getting it in vs him OTF, cos the sort of playeer who'd open that UTG wont generally just need the uber-mega hand to get his stack in here (sweeping generalization from me I understand but "generally speaking" I think that's pretty accurate)

or as Cos said in 1200 words less than me.

Yup I'm very happily getting it in here

He didn't open, he flatted in late position. The UTG raiser folded the flop, op says this maybe I didn't make it clear. But yeah his hand shound never really see a flop.

OH RIGHT. Have I mis-read the HH cos that defo makes a difference

Playing 7 handed
UTG raises to 15
Hijack calls
I call SB
BB folds
Straddle calls

Flop: Straddle bets 40, utg folds, hijack pots £200

[gouty]

This thread is plain weird?

But now I am thinking call is awful. Shove is bad cos only get called with hands that beat us. And we are in for £15.

Is that correct?

[SuuPRlim]

This thread is plain weird?

But now I am thinking call is awful. Shove is bad cos only get called with hands that beat us. And we are in for £15.

Is that correct?

Well, if we get folds + get it in as a flip then shove is very profitable, it just depends whether you think that this person's range to raise the flop is ONLY 567 with a bigger flush draw, if that's the case then defo fold.

I don't believe that can be true, i think he can have some (semi)bluffs and some weaker 56 hands, I've seen nothing in this thread (except the mention that it might be paul parker lol) aside from the fact he's been the tightest guy at the table, to suggest this is wrong, and as going all-in here is very much the stnd I'd need a great deal more of a read than that to suddenly completely revert from the very easy stnd play. I've made a lot of very bad hero folds in my life to "very tight" players having developed this read because they played very tight for 3 orbits in a live poker game. There has been many times I've played very tight for 3 hours in a live game and like I said no1 would fold this hand to me OTF.

Also from a theory/maths angle the amount we've invested really doesn't matter - its £200 to call with £800/£600 in stacks and thi is the hand we have (it does make a practical difference though)

[gouty]

I just can't see villain making it 200 with anything we want be up against bar a bluff I suppose as he is button. I find when players in position start making pots big its fight or flight time. But the fact he has 3 bet flop multiway must set the alarm bells ringing.

I fold here for different reasons anyway. It just seems like a big flip to me. Gotta be better spots.

[jk1892]

I do believe that re-potting is the most profitable play against almost anyone, there are just too many worse 56 combos out their that can spaz it in especially as its only 4 cards. The straddle is also a factor because he is getting the equity to get his stack in after I pot with any set+nut flush draw and therefore I think a hero fold isn't terrible but ultimately less profitable.

[jk1892]

I don't believe that can be true, i think he can have some (semi)bluffs and some weaker 56 hands, I've seen nothing in this thread (except the mention that it might be paul parker lol) aside from the fact he's been the tightest guy at the table, to suggest this is wrong, and as going all-in here is very much the stnd I'd need a great deal more of a read than that to suddenly completely revert from the very easy stnd play. I've made a lot of very bad hero folds in my life to "very tight" players having developed this read because they played very tight for 3 orbits in a live poker game. There has been many times I've played very tight for 3 hours in a live game and like I said no1 would fold this hand to me OTF.

Also from a theory/maths angle the amount we've invested really doesn't matter - its £200 to call with £800/£600 in stacks and thi is the hand we have (it does make a practical difference though)

And yes it was deffo Paul Parker he's been in all week and i've been chatting to him quite abit.

[tikay]

If it was Paul, he had the made straight, with extensions, a set, NFD, and straight flush draw. Minimum.......

[kano]

Paul Parker = Run for the hills!

[SuuPRlim]

Slightly off topic - Dave - when playing online Omaha 6 max, zoom, is it best to play a lot of post flop in general ? I seem to be able to spin up from small, but I tend to take aggro lines or run 2nd nuts vs nuts, at times I can hand read Omaha ok, then another time I lose my head and it all becomes pretty much a gamble.

Any advice pls?

How much do u charge for lessons? Xx

Hi Dreenie,

it's not really a case of it's better to play a lot post-flop it's really just an essential part of 100bb+ PLO because whereas this isn't universally true once people enter pots with a hand they are going to see a flop with them (you're always a lot more surprised when people DO fold to re-raises PF than when they dont for e.g) there is a couple of different styles you can adopt.

Some people like to take a very aggressive pre-flop approach, opening wider, 4betting wider, higher 3bet/5bets and this is a workable style but the main thing to really be careful of is that you quickly pick up on who's going to battle and take you on by losening up against you and who's not going to post-flop, very easy to just over-play 2nd nuts because you'v been going a bi batshit only you'vee run into someone who'd only ever play the nuts like this regardless of how insane you've been playing.

The reason a tighter/TAG style is most popular as a default is that those mistakes are much harder to make as your perception of dynamic and game flow isn't quite as crucial.

I don't do lessons, I'd have to charge too much

[SuuPRlim]

I just can't see villain making it 200 with anything we want be up against bar a bluff I suppose as he is button. I find when players in position start making pots big its fight or flight time. But the fact he has 3 bet flop multiway must set the alarm bells ringing.

I fold here for different reasons anyway. It just seems like a big flip to me. Gotta be better spots.

Well vs Paul Parker, but we didn;t know this before, here is the info we had on the player.

The potter im told is decent and seems to know how to play, he has been the tightest player at the table and has span £300 into £1000 he has only shown down aces full and the nut straight before. Im a relatively unkown but have been holding my own playing fairly tight.

Literally nothing there to justify what would be a fairly big hero fold, imo.

[dreenie]

Slightly off topic - Dave - when playing online Omaha 6 max, zoom, is it best to play a lot of post flop in general ? I seem to be able to spin up from small, but I tend to take aggro lines or run 2nd nuts vs nuts, at times I can hand read Omaha ok, then another time I lose my head and it all becomes pretty much a gamble.

Any advice pls?

How much do u charge for lessons? Xx

Hi Dreenie,

it's not really a case of it's better to play a lot post-flop it's really just an essential part of 100bb+ PLO because whereas this isn't universally true once people enter pots with a hand they are going to see a flop with them (you're always a lot more surprised when people DO fold to re-raises PF than when they dont for e.g) there is a couple of different styles you can adopt.

Some people like to take a very aggressive pre-flop approach, opening wider, 4betting wider, higher 3bet/5bets and this is a workable style but the main thing to really be careful of is that you quickly pick up on who's going to battle and take you on by losening up against you and who's not going to post-flop, very easy to just over-play 2nd nuts because you'v been going a bi batshit only you'vee run into someone who'd only ever play the nuts like this regardless of how insane you've been playing.

The reason a tighter/TAG style is most popular as a default is that those mistakes are much harder to make as your perception of dynamic and game flow isn't quite as crucial.

I don't do lessons, I'd have to charge too much

Ty for replying. Love you LilDave <3

[tikay]

I have really enjoyed this thread, paticularly the comments by the "Big Boys".

Even I am shovelling it in on this flop, so I was a little surprised that not all agreed, but different opinions & viewpoints are good.

But........

There is a scenario where I fold here pretty damn quickly.

In THIS case, we were heads up. But if we were 4 way, & it went pot-pot or pot-call before it got to us, & I have a player behind me, it is a fairly trivial, if painful, fold.

My reasoning would be that between the 3 players, they have all the different extensions & nut draws covered, so I have to dodge almost the entire pack. ONE player is far less likely to have more than one, two at most, of the re-draws or freerolls. I'll take him on. Three players, nope, I'm outa here, even though I am getting a monsta price.

 

[Derbylad]

I'd be electing to play all of my betting discs.
7 cards left to make any flushes - ~the folds from other players if we're putting him on any  xSpades type hand.
We've got a better redraw then him a bunch of the time especially if he's playing a bare 56, however if he's a competent reg it's very unlikely.

At worst if he does have    etc... we still have 7 nut outs for the higher straight and it's hard to pair a board nowadays....
Cooler if we lose.