live 2/2 omaha spot

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@bobalike - yeh DEFO go all in, literally no other play can't possibly fold, calling is pointless when we can get our stack in, you might get it in 3 way, and might not be amazing equity spot but defo printing getting it in.

6card Omaha is such a boring game, people somehow believe it's really "gambley" or "bingo" but it really isn't it's just a huge nits game.

Dave,

Do you play much (any?!) PLO8?

I want to try to brush my game up a bit, but it's not a game where there is much interest out there. I have a pretty good grasp of the mechanics of the game, but there are still quite a few mysteries, things I struggle with. (i.e., winning.....).

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@bobalike - yeh DEFO go all in, literally no other play can't possibly fold, calling is pointless when we can get our stack in, you might get it in 3 way, and might not be amazing equity spot but defo printing getting it in.

6card Omaha is such a boring game, people somehow believe it's really "gambley" or "bingo" but it really isn't it's just a huge nits game.

Your in the wrong game, 5/6/7 ways arrrrrrrr ins and potting blind where I play. Tbf, it happens in 4 card too.

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@bobalike - yeh DEFO go all in, literally no other play can't possibly fold, calling is pointless when we can get our stack in, you might get it in 3 way, and might not be amazing equity spot but defo printing getting it in.

6card Omaha is such a boring game, people somehow believe it's really "gambley" or "bingo" but it really isn't it's just a huge nits game.

Your in the wrong game, 5/6/7 ways arrrrrrrr ins and potting blind where I play. Tbf, it happens in 4 card too.

Yes, but that is Omaha Roulette, & has no skill. Good for a spin-up. Or down.

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@bobalike - yeh DEFO go all in, literally no other play can't possibly fold, calling is pointless when we can get our stack in, you might get it in 3 way, and might not be amazing equity spot but defo printing getting it in.

6card Omaha is such a boring game, people somehow believe it's really "gambley" or "bingo" but it really isn't it's just a huge nits game.

Your in the wrong game, 5/6/7 ways arrrrrrrr ins and potting blind where I play. Tbf, it happens in 4 card too.

Yes, but that is Omaha Roulette, & has no skill. Good for a spin-up. Or down.

I concur to some degree, the game ebbs and flows over the course of the night but the hands you see. I had a friend tell me that QQQ666 is a hand he should play because last time he had 222 he made a set and won a big pot. Now that is a 6o game you want to be in.

[mulhuzz]

6card Omaha is such a boring game, people somehow believe it's really "gambley" or "bingo" but it really isn't it's just a huge nits game.

this as well btw. bit annoying because whilst the rest of the table is being splashy and playing every hand etc it's still totally correct to be a nit if you want to win...

[bobAlike]

Cheers guys. Much appreciated. As it happens this happened to me in the last 2 PLO games I played. Won one lost one. Still up on this years sessions so can't moan.

[SuuPRlim]

@bobalike - yeh DEFO go all in, literally no other play can't possibly fold, calling is pointless when we can get our stack in, you might get it in 3 way, and might not be amazing equity spot but defo printing getting it in.

6card Omaha is such a boring game, people somehow believe it's really "gambley" or "bingo" but it really isn't it's just a huge nits game.

Your in the wrong game, 5/6/7 ways arrrrrrrr ins and potting blind where I play. Tbf, it happens in 4 card too.

6card still a stupid game imo, it's actually shrewd for weaker players to pick it but for totally different reasons to the reason they actually pick it for

[SuuPRlim]

@bobalike - yeh DEFO go all in, literally no other play can't possibly fold, calling is pointless when we can get our stack in, you might get it in 3 way, and might not be amazing equity spot but defo printing getting it in.

6card Omaha is such a boring game, people somehow believe it's really "gambley" or "bingo" but it really isn't it's just a huge nits game.

Dave,

Do you play much (any?!) PLO8?

I want to try to brush my game up a bit, but it's not a game where there is much interest out there. I have a pretty good grasp of the mechanics of the game, but there are still quite a few mysteries, things I struggle with. (i.e., winning.....).

Hi Tony,

Yeh, I play quite a bit of it, mostly in live games and almost entirely 6card (actually prefer 6card plo8 to 4card haha) but a bit of it online. What do you struggle with? TBH it's probably my one of my weaker if not my weakest game. its much less of a dynamic game than the others imo, as in very solid play with often stifle out any sort of flair/exuberance - a table of pretty good players will very likely just be pushing rake around its hard for one good player to be miles better than another good player.

That being said, it's grown on me and I quite like it nowadays.

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@bobalike - yeh DEFO go all in, literally no other play can't possibly fold, calling is pointless when we can get our stack in, you might get it in 3 way, and might not be amazing equity spot but defo printing getting it in.

6card Omaha is such a boring game, people somehow believe it's really "gambley" or "bingo" but it really isn't it's just a huge nits game.

Your in the wrong game, 5/6/7 ways arrrrrrrr ins and potting blind where I play. Tbf, it happens in 4 card too.

6card still a stupid game imo, it's actually shrewd for weaker players to pick it but for totally different reasons to the reason they actually pick it for

I choose max at the moment when possible because I feel like the positional edge is greatest in 6 card. Thoughts? Bearing in mind I am typically playing 200-300 and the table consists of a variation of £100-1k stacks, and normally 2 chinese players that aren't fundamentally solid but big winners, then a variety of your i put chips in the pot because I have been dealt 4 cards, with their own tendancies etc.

P.S ofc 6 card is a ridiculous game. I played 3 hands of hu 13 card lolmaha at DTD once, when the whole table went to smoke/circlejerk/whatever I can't remember a single bet going in post as my opponent and I were obviously chilling a bit, but what number of cards is too many? I feel like a 5 card max 8 handed live game would be 5x more fun than the 10 handed 4 card snoozefests up north, but the casinos won't change the game.

P.P.S how is my p.s longer than the original post

[SuuPRlim]

i) Positional advantage decreases with the amount of cards you have. Easiest way to overcome positional disadvantage? Make hands, when you're 4 way to a flop in 6card omaha OTB then you can be as in position as you like you're still against 18 cards.

ii) The more cards you have, the nittier the game is - 4card omaha there is bluffing, thinner value-betting, more semi-bluffing + playable combo draws. 8 card omaha is all about having the nuts the most amount of re-draws and trying to free-roll someone, obviously NF blocker bluffs are much more useful in 6card but then most of the time if you've not played an awful starting hand when you have the NF card you'll have another of the same suit with it.

[Honeybadger]

Positional edge is much greater at 4 card PLO than at 6 card. You can play a lot of hands on the BTN at 4 card, but have to stick to good hands at 6 cards. [edited: what Lil'Dave said above^^]

Going back to the original hand. I am getting this in on the flop, but I can understand that it is not quite as great a spot as it might first appear. The fact that there are reasonable arguments for folding (even if I disagree with them on balance) actually highlights something interesting about preflop hand selection at PLO:

Most people think a hand like 8765 with suits is an amazingly sexy hand and get over excited about it. In some situations 8765ss really is a premium hand, however in other situations it is nothing more than a fairly good hand. In multiway pots this hand is often not anywhere near as good as some people think - it is still playable, but is really nothing to get all horny about. Your flush draws are more likely to be dominated if there are lots of players seeing the flop, and hitting something like two pair plus an open-ender is not always a comfortable through ticket for all your money on the flop like it usually would be in a HU or threeway pot. This is why it is often good to 3bet this sort of medium rundown hand in position, to try to play the hand HU or threeway rather than playing it vs five other opponents. It is still almost always profitable multiway, but is often more profitable in short-handed situations.

The hand in question illustrates this pretty well. We have flopped as good as we possibly can with this hand, yet there are still people advocating folding! I realise that this is because of the specific action and it won't always work out like this, and for that matter I don't agree with folding even with how the action went down. But that is not the point. The point is that it highlights how a hand like 8765ss is not always quite as sexy as it sometimes appears.

[bobAlike]

Great posts from the pros

I love PLO 4/5/6 preferably 6 card for the simple reason I have a very short attention span and with PLO there's nearly always something happening. It does feel more gambly/bingoey (are they even words?) but your def right about being a nitty game unless you just want to flip for it.

[SuuPRlim]

im glad 6 card omaha exists, and actually most people SHOULD pick it lol it just always tilts me when people say things like "Oh 4card again who boring" followed by "yes! 6cards now we can gamble" when actually the two statements are completely reversed, way more gambling in 4card plo and 6card PLO is for the rocks who are just waiting till you have the nuts with a mediocre re-draw and can get their money in vs you freerolling...