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« Reply #135 on: June 15, 2013, 11:16:28 PM »

A couple of key points are 1. What your stack size is from your first successful attempt and it's relation to the average & 2. the amount you actually add to your stack from the 2nd/any ongoing successful attempts. If the average is 100k, you have 90k, and add only 30k on your 2nd attempt, can it really be significantly+ev? it's one thing successfully having a stack more than once when the field is down to 10%, but quite another having a combined total stack large enough to make the overall investments sufficiently profitable.
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« Reply #136 on: June 16, 2013, 10:05:41 PM »

If there are multiples of this comp can i chose when to use my day 1 tokens (if i win one)?
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« Reply #137 on: June 16, 2013, 10:19:41 PM »

If there are multiples of this comp can i chose when to use my day 1 tokens (if i win one)?


Think Simon mentioned earlier that they last 30 days, so you could use them for another one of these within that time frame.
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« Reply #138 on: June 16, 2013, 10:46:52 PM »

A couple of key points are 1. What your stack size is from your first successful attempt and it's relation to the average & 2. the amount you actually add to your stack from the 2nd/any ongoing successful attempts. If the average is 100k, you have 90k, and add only 30k on your 2nd attempt, can it really be significantly+ev? it's one thing successfully having a stack more than once when the field is down to 10%, but quite another having a combined total stack large enough to make the overall investments sufficiently profitable.

Merging stacks will NEVER be +ev unless you have an unattainably large ROI.

Using an ICM calculator, I used the stack sizes: 100,000, 80,000, 30,000, 10,000 (4 remaining stacks left on the bubble), then split the 80,000 stack into two 40,000 stacks (giving us 5 players 1 from the bubble) and got: 33.8% equity for the 80,000 stack vs 2*21.04% = 42.08% for the two 40,000 stacks. The prize distribution was 1st: 50%, 2nd: 30%, 3rd: 20% (a top heavy single table STT).

So from this we can see that the stacks when split were worth 42.08% of the prizepool as opposed to 33.8%.  Interestingly, a stack of 100,000 chips only has 34.91% of the prize pool, so you would be much better off with 2x 40k stacks than 1x 100k stack.

I understand that MTT's are slightly different, but as far as I can see these calcs would still run the same, just with smaller equities of the prizepool.  If I could be bothered to run the nash calculations for working out the increased edge of having a larger stack, but I'm 100% sure the edge would be negligible vs the amount of equity you give up when merging.

The only thing that will EVER benefit from stacks getting merged in this tournament is the prizepool (and as such the rest of the players who are ITM already), AINEC.
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« Reply #139 on: June 16, 2013, 10:53:40 PM »

Yep, makes sense...thanks for the maths Tomson87, seems to prove what I was postulating but with substance, lol
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« Reply #140 on: June 16, 2013, 10:56:39 PM »

Yep, makes sense...thanks for the maths Tomson87, seems to prove what I was postulating but with substance, lol

And it only took me 2 days to get my words out Grin
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« Reply #141 on: June 17, 2013, 09:28:43 AM »

Online Day1a of the first DTD Summer Special Deepstack is tonight 8.30pm

there is a last chance satellite at 7pm £5RB 5 seats GTD



DATES: Monday 17th June – Sunday 23rd June 2013

BUY-IN: £100+ £15

GTE:  £50,000 (500 entries)

EST 1st PRIZE: £12,500 (25%)

MIN CASH: £300 (3x)

CHIPS: 30,000

STRUCTURE: Blinds will start at 3000-6000 Day 2 - the average stack will be at least 50BB

CLOCK:

Day 1’s - 30 mins live / 12 mins Online

Day 2   - 35 mins Day 2 / 40 Mins Final

 

RULES:

1. Players play down to 10% of the field on all Day 1’s, the 10% is rounded down and any “bubble players” will receive £115 from the prizepool eg. with 105 players, 10 go through to Day 2 and 5 "bubble players" are paid £115 out of the prizepool.

2. Players can play as many Day 1’s as they want and their chips will be “merged” to form their Day 2 starting stack. eg. Mr Smith makes it through to Day 2 on Monday Online Day 1a with 60,000 chips, this would only be 10bb on Day 2, so he plays Saturday Day 1d live at DTD and makes Day 2 with 240,000 chips, he will then start Sunday Day 2 with a starting stack of 300,000 chips.

 
DATES:                    

Day 1a Online   17th June Monday Online 8.30pm    
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« Reply #142 on: June 17, 2013, 09:41:54 AM »

Are you doing any updates for these Tighty?
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« Reply #143 on: June 17, 2013, 09:43:46 AM »

Are you doing any updates for these Tighty?

I am doing the first one, this weekend, as I thought it would be interesting to cover the first one for everyone so they can get a detailed flavour of how it plays etc

After that, will do 1 or 2 in July, see what the reaction to this weekend is
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« Reply #144 on: June 17, 2013, 09:44:47 AM »

Are you doing any updates for these Tighty?

I am doing the first one, this weekend, as I thought it would be interesting to cover the first one for everyone so they can get a detailed flavour of how it plays etc

After that, will do 1 or 2 in July, see what the reaction to this weekend is

Ok see you on Saturday
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« Reply #145 on: June 17, 2013, 10:11:45 AM »

Interesting maths. We will publish the stats of the number of players that attempt to merge stacks and the number of merged stacks. As I said, noone has ever forfeited their stack for even £50, so we expect both numbers to be very low, especially as only 10% make Day 2, so it will be interesting to see what players do under this format, I think the distance a player travels to Dusk Till Dawn will also be a factor in the decision making.

We start tonight;

7.30PM - Last chance satellite £5RB 5 seats GTD

8.30PM £100 Deepstack Day 1a Online 8.30pm


Good luck to everyone, Aces

Further info; http://www.dusktilldawncasinonottingham.com/news/100-deepstack-summer-50000-gtd/2346

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« Reply #146 on: June 17, 2013, 10:50:21 AM »

The only thing that will EVER benefit from stacks getting merged in this tournament is the prizepool (and as such the rest of the players who are ITM already), AINEC.

That assumes no overlay, which I hope there isn't.
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« Reply #147 on: June 17, 2013, 02:49:28 PM »

Got my seat through the feeders

Playing tonight

Good Luck Everyone

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« Reply #148 on: June 17, 2013, 03:02:14 PM »

Playing tonight

Good Luck Everyone

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« Reply #149 on: June 17, 2013, 03:41:07 PM »

Also playing tonight

Sats seemed to generate more seats last night than guaranteed which is good! Hoping for good numbers tonight would 100 be optimistic?!?

Surprised the Facebook freeroll was 5 seats to 115 would it not have been better for 30 seats to the 15? Or manye two Facebook/twitter freeroll a with 20/25 seats each to the £15s?
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