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« Reply #15 on: November 19, 2013, 05:01:29 PM »

think its a decent spot to the lead the river. reps a missed flush draw,(which it is  ), so i think you could get paid by a decent amount of hands here, especially as you described the guy as being a 'little splashy' on the table so far. Might get more by leading the river, as his calling range will be a lot wider than his range calling off a check jam
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« Reply #16 on: November 19, 2013, 05:07:34 PM »

how big ott till we fold?

The bigger the bet the more likely it is we get paid. ~5k?
Yh in this particular spot I have quite a lot of chips so can maybe call not getting exactly the right price knowing we are getting stacks on rivers if we hit so was thinking around 5k

i mean im nto sure we ever get stacks when we improve though, spades and one liners hes going to check back, 8 is a good one though, disguised.
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« Reply #17 on: November 20, 2013, 02:38:50 AM »

seems like the nut spot to lead the river
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« Reply #18 on: November 20, 2013, 04:11:26 AM »

Do people ever lead river as a bluff? He can have a set of nines a set of Jacks and presumably on occasion a set of Aces or Kings - all of which he'll bet.
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« Reply #19 on: November 20, 2013, 04:12:25 AM »

TBF his most likely hand is AQ and it puts him in a tough spot but a lead is SO unbalanced.
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« Reply #20 on: November 20, 2013, 06:37:43 AM »

I like it all including checking river.

Think its pretty ridiculous to say a check raise is NEVER getting called and I think hes going to value bet almost everything that he's going to call the river with. Your range doesn't look that strong either so he can very easily decide to bluff river here also, potentially pretty big as well
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« Reply #21 on: November 20, 2013, 08:48:31 AM »

Thanks for all the replies

I checked the river as we know and Sam jammed for pot and a half roughly AI and I called winning v KJo
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« Reply #22 on: November 20, 2013, 12:25:33 PM »

Thanks for all the replies

I checked the river as we know and Sam jammed for pot and a half roughly AI and I called winning v KJo

Your stache must make you look like a fish. Either that or it was the last train home shortly.
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« Reply #23 on: November 20, 2013, 12:42:49 PM »

Thanks for all the replies

I checked the river as we know and Sam jammed for pot and a half roughly AI and I called winning v KJo

Your stache must make you look like a fish. Either that or it was the last train home shortly.
tho so guess he was planning on bluffing with it if spades come.  Nope not last train he re-entered and bust last level of the day.

Taches ftw obv
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« Reply #24 on: November 20, 2013, 01:32:29 PM »

Really good pha IMO.... lovely spot for checking the river too... Playing in flow, keeps all his bluffs in, keeps in the option of the massive bluff AI from villain as you saw and particularly the right play against an aggro player like Sam.  The donk lead is way more often for value than to bluff the missed draw,, so I think we cap our potential value on the river to a call from most of his range when we lead. He's rarely going all in over our raise. So the risk of the check back I think is outweighed by the potential gains.
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« Reply #25 on: November 20, 2013, 02:04:36 PM »

Assume everyones checking a spade too? Even though Sam's betting range narrows alot? Cuz leading a spade and not this card seems terrible
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« Reply #26 on: November 20, 2013, 02:09:22 PM »

if we always raise 2 pair plus on turn vs sams sizing in sams perceived view, why is his shove otr terrible?
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« Reply #27 on: November 20, 2013, 02:19:36 PM »

if we always raise 2 pair plus on turn vs sams sizing in sams perceived view, why is his shove otr terrible?

Even if he is winning it doesn't mean we call a jam with worse. Trying to rep missed spades I guess but who does this for 1.5x pot.
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« Reply #28 on: November 20, 2013, 03:29:07 PM »

He either thinks your horrifically bad and is doing it for value, or he thinks you're really good and is doing it as a bluff.
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« Reply #29 on: November 20, 2013, 03:42:40 PM »

He either thinks your horrifically bad and is doing it for value, or he thinks you're really good and is doing it as a bluff.
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