Marine sent to prison

[BangBang]

we all know this sot of thing goies on as a former squaddie i kinda feel it gors on alot more often than most people would think
but you dotn do it infront of a camera and if you do you make sure the footage is lost for ever
once footage is found then there is nothing else that can be done
if there is an attempt at cover up then it will come out

the marine should spend his time in a military jail thought and his name should not be in public domain

How? Why? and if this is true, why hasn't it come out until now? Is it because technology has become more advanced, so it's recorded and viewed by proxy? if yes to this and your statement above is true, why hasn't more come out? 

[Woodsey]

we all know this sot of thing goies on as a former squaddie i kinda feel it gors on alot more often than most people would think
but you dotn do it infront of a camera and if you do you make sure the footage is lost for ever
once footage is found then there is nothing else that can be done
if there is an attempt at cover up then it will come out

the marine should spend his time in a military jail thought and his name should not be in public domain

How? Why? and if this is true, why hasn't it come out until now? Is it because technology has become more advanced, so it's recorded and viewed by proxy? if yes to this and your statement above is true, why hasn't more come out? 

I think they were investigating another matter and found this on his laptop mate.

[BangBang]

we all know this sot of thing goies on as a former squaddie i kinda feel it gors on alot more often than most people would think
but you dotn do it infront of a camera and if you do you make sure the footage is lost for ever
once footage is found then there is nothing else that can be done
if there is an attempt at cover up then it will come out

the marine should spend his time in a military jail thought and his name should not be in public domain

How? Why? and if this is true, why hasn't it come out until now? Is it because technology has become more advanced, so it's recorded and viewed by proxy? if yes to this and your statement above is true, why hasn't more come out? 

I think they were investigating another matter and found this on his laptop mate.

That's this particular case, but Ironside said if there is an attempt at cover up then it will come out based on it happens often, which it probably does, why hasn't any more come out, is this the only time this type of materiel was found? Pretty hard to believe...

[Acidmouse]

It happens often and virtually 99% of the times soldiers do it out of sight of anything/anyone else. If rumors go around of some act being on tape/recorded then like others have said it has to come out else there is nothing worse than 5 years down the line someone whistle blowing and it making front page news of cover up slaughtering captives, which PR wise is ten fold worse for the forces.

[china mug]

not wishing to offend ,i do note a simalarity of this being found out by the exposure of a piece of film and the post in another part of blonde about the i belive is american ...knock out ...violence,where a perp films himself knocking out a stranger as they walk pass,and then is caught by the evedence of there own film that they had to show there mates .................................................its a sad reflection on man that its not enouth to do the deed but to keep a film record for the replaying of for laughter .....in both cases it would be most interisting to see the perps explain there actions to say some one such as nelson mandela,rip,.....i dont think the perps would be able to look him in the eye

[Acidmouse]

I have not served no.

The way they speak in the film like this is second nature to them and to just keep it stum is shocking and telling into what really happens.

You are disrespected because I said it would be an often occurrence our troops murder captives? You think this is a one off then? Is it offensive to believe our troops commit acts against the Geneva convention in war?

They are taught to kill, no one should be suprised least not you.

[Jon MW]

I have not served no.

The way they speak in the film like this is second nature to them and to just keep it stum is shocking and telling into what really happens.

You are disrespected because I said it would be an often occurrence our troops murder captives? You think this is a one off then? Is it offensive to believe our troops commit acts against the Geneva convention in war?

They are taught to kill, no one should be suprised least not you.

There's a big difference between saying that it happens and that it happens often.

And soldiers are taught to follow orders is probably a more relevant part of their training than taught to kill I would have thought

[RED-DOG]

I would imagine they are also taught when not to kill, and that the vast majority do respect the Geneva convention.

IMHO of course.

[AndrewT]

The trouble is he is clearly guilty. As I see it there are mitigating factors. In a civil court people usually plead guilty on grounds of diminished responsibility. Why? Evidence of what his unit had been through in the previous weeks/months. Until you've seen what such a hostile environment can do to an individual you are ill advised to comment on their actions

It's the Geneva convention - it's precisely about what happens in war. You can use 'but I was in a war - that's my excuse' as an excuse.

[Acidmouse]

I am not sure I need to have served in the forces to know whats being reported. Never claimed I was some sort of authoritative figure on it, as an open forum I can say I bet this happens often. What you and I class as often (i agree I should have used a more suitable word, maybe something like "this would not have been the first time is has happened" ) could be questionable, one a week? once a month? across the globe where are troops are on conflict.

I bet its living hell for them there, I can understand people snapping, post traumatic stress etc makes people do unimaginable things. My take it is happens on both sides, most in this country would like to believe our troops are angelic and cases like this highlighted that fact that's not always the case. Sad really.

[BangBang]

Cant do quotes bolding easy. But u said it happens often and 99% of soldiets do it out of sight.

Sounds pretty authoritative to me!

Pretty sure, Acid didn't mean to offend, just stating his opinion and the word "Often" is clearly subjective here..

What is your opinion on making this public...?

I've expressed my personal views about it, which you can see above Cliffs - Should never have been made public and will do more harm then good.

[AdamM]

I'm away at moment and using phone so not great for long replies. Will do proper one in a few days.

I find it offensive that someone so unqualified can make such a sweeping statement, giving the impression that you were some kind of authority when clearly you are not.

I and many others wholly condone what hsppened in the video. Yes our prime role is to kill the enemy, however everything is to be done iaw the geneva convention. It is drummed into us annually and prior to specific deployments. We undertake intensive training with scenarios etc that ensure we are left in no doubt what is/isnt legal.

The video shows the SNCO definitely knew he was committing an illegal act.

I'm working with 3 Commando this week and I know some friends are against his life term. Im a little undecided.

The trouble is he is clearly guilty. As I see it there are mitigating factors. In a civil court people usually plead guilty on grounds of diminished responsibility. Why? Evidence of what his unit had been through in the previous weeks/months. Until you've seen what such a hostile environment can do to an individual you are ill advised to comment on their actions

Assume you mean condemn rather than condone?

[Acidmouse]

Cant do quotes bolding easy. But u said it happens often and 99% of soldiets do it out of sight.

Sounds pretty authoritative to me!

So you would say the times it does happen it's generally filmed/witnessed by others?

The point I was making and the reason that this is a unique case is THAT it was recorded not done out of sight etc.

You don't have to be authoritative or clever to make this point do you? Was not trying to be either thought it was an obvious observation.

[craigbetts]

Cant do quotes bolding easy. But u said it happens often and 99% of soldiets do it out of sight.

Sounds pretty authoritative to me!

Pretty sure, Acid didn't mean to offend, just stating his opinion and the word "Often" is clearly subjective here..

What is your opinion on making this public...?

I've expressed my personal views about it, which you can see above Cliffs - Should never have been made public and will do more harm then good.

99% of soldiers do it out of sight? So we have 99000 murderers? I think its quite clear and non subjective what he is saying when using the words often and 99% in such a way.

Am I correct in saying acidmouse is a teacher? Seem to remember it in a thread somewhere. If thats the case I think he is fully aware of the impact of his wording and grammar.

Mixed views on publicity. We have to be open and frank otherwise we lay ourselves open to all the various critics and conspiracies.  On the flip it endangers guys in theatre.

I think acid is saying is, if there are any more incidents of this nature, then 99% of people involved would do it out of sight.

[Acidmouse]

Cant do quotes bolding easy. But u said it happens often and 99% of soldiets do it out of sight.

Sounds pretty authoritative to me!

Pretty sure, Acid didn't mean to offend, just stating his opinion and the word "Often" is clearly subjective here..

What is your opinion on making this public...?

I've expressed my personal views about it, which you can see above Cliffs - Should never have been made public and will do more harm then good.

99% of soldiers do it out of sight? So we have 99000 murderers? I think its quite clear and non subjective what he is saying when using the words often and 99% in such a way.

Am I correct in saying acidmouse is a teacher? Seem to remember it in a thread somewhere. If thats the case I think he is fully aware of the impact of his wording and grammar.

Mixed views on publicity. We have to be open and frank otherwise we lay ourselves open to all the various critics and conspiracies.  On the flip it endangers guys in theatre.

I think acid is saying is, if there are any more incidents of this nature, then 99% of people involved would do it out of sight.

Yep, tbh thought it was obvious...guess not.