The TEMPORARY Nuts - First Hand.......

[tikay]

Even in the WSOP you can still rebuy for the following day so I would call.

Btw if i have this wrong please feel free to shoot me down its secondhand information for me.

Shoot him.

[thetank]

Sounds like bollox to me. I think it will max out at 8,000 and there will be no option to re-buy.

There certainly would not be if you were in the 4th heat, Players drawn on this day would be at a disadvantage.

Who told you this newmanseye?

[Newmanseye]

It was  conversation that tony chessa was having in the riverboat not long after he got back from WSOP and there was a comment made that a few people who busted out coule buyin for the second or third day, Also there was a the option to buy in late to the tourney after it had been running.

I may have taken it wrongly but thats what I remember.

[snoopy1239]

If anyone passes they shouldn't be playing poiker

It depends why they're sitting at the table.

[tikay]

It was  conversation that tony chessa was having in the riverboat not long after he got back from WSOP and there was a comment made that a few people who busted out coule buyin for the second or third day, Also there was a the option to buy in late to the tourney after it had been running.

I may have taken it wrongly but thats what I remember.

The posituion is this.

You can NOT re-buy. 100% certain.

It is possible to enter the WSOP Main Event AFTER Day One, as there were 3 opening days in 2005. 75% sure.

[Newmanseye]

It was  conversation that tony chessa was having in the riverboat not long after he got back from WSOP and there was a comment made that a few people who busted out coule buyin for the second or third day, Also there was a the option to buy in late to the tourney after it had been running.

I may have taken it wrongly but thats what I remember.

The posituion is this.

You can NOT re-buy. 100% certain.

It is possible to enter the WSOP Main Event AFTER Day One, as there were 3 opening days in 2005. 75% sure.

Fair enough, Thanks for the confirmation Tikay, I was not sure thats why I said it was second hand information

[snoopy1239]

Are we missing something here?

How many of us here would stump up the money to rebuy?

[Newmanseye]

MikkyT would, its adding value to the prizepool!!!!

[77dave]

enjoying this thread lots of good opposing views


tikay did you see from this years world series main event

this was the very first hand   sam farha  against a guy i think was in his first ever main event

newbies finds     and raises in middle position

sam calls in late position

flop comes down    

so newbie flops a boat   and checks to sam

sam bets    newbie  raises      sam moves allin   the whole 10k
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newbie checks  his  cards again and calls all in

sam shows  

aces full for a bigger boat and the nuts


so if you flop a house first hand of the main event could you pass to an allin on the flop?

[AdamM]

No, there is no valid arguement for passing here.

If anyone passes they shouldn't be playing poiker

nice to see such open minded stand points in a debate.
with the benefit of position you can se the three people have enough of this flop to commit their entire stack. think about it this way.
none of them can be drawing dead but you cannot improve.

in a STT or a cash game it's a no brainer call. in the first hand of a MTT if the game matters at all to you and you have faith in your skill its an easy pass

[snoopy1239]

I saw this and there's no way I cpuld have passed.

I would have put Sam on trips, AQ say, not the full house.

Also, this is slightly different as Tikay's hand is vulnerable to outdraws, this is more a case of 'Do I have the best hand?'

Still, must have hurt. Ouch!

[snoopy1239]

No, there is no valid arguement for passing here.

If anyone passes they shouldn't be playing poiker

nice to see such open minded stand points in a debate.
with the benefit of position you can se the three people have enough of this flop to commit their entire stack. think about it this way.
none of them can be drawing dead but you cannot improve.

in a STT or a cash game it's a no brainer call. in the first hand of a MTT if the game matters at all to you and you have faith in your skill its an easy pass

I'm not sure I'd say it was an easy pass beacause you're still the favourite to win the hand.

[AdamM]

only because of the muppet with A8
replace that with KJ or similar and you're less than 50% to win the hand
you're bust, you're out
pass

[Longy]

Interesting i honestly don't think it is the correct decision to pass but we are faced with decisions in poker as in life that the risk is so great that the correct decision is hard to make. If you use wardonkeys possible 3 other hands on the flop the % are as follows.

  33.29%
     39.76% to tie (so really ev of 20%)
      26.95% (+6% to tie)
You       39.76% (again 20% ev)

So if the other j 10 has moved in before you here you are incorrect to call as your 25% of the pot only represnts 20% in equity. Its a funny game.  I STILL thinking folding is a mistake tho as it is very difficult (impossible) to put them on these specific hands

[77dave]

but what about if you are against 2 sets of trips or 2 flush draws