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« Reply #45 on: March 26, 2015, 09:09:55 PM »

I'm not saying the 600 hours are potentially saying he's less able, what I am saying is that maybe he has been planning this crash for sometime, only 600 hours in and went straight for a job. Is it possible that it was his first time in the cockpit alone?

Some horrendous stories though. A father rushed to the airport to give his son his passport that his son had forgot, made in time to give him the passport and he was on the doomed flight. I can not begin to imagine how he must feel or if he can ever cope with that
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« Reply #46 on: March 26, 2015, 09:48:40 PM »

Wish that the media would stop using the word suicide.  Its mass murder.

Also was on an A320 today - again the media are saying that the passengers would have been unaware of what was happening until the last few seconds.  If the pilot really was trying to force the door then there is zero chance of them not beimg aware of it.
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« Reply #47 on: March 27, 2015, 03:06:35 AM »

My mind is truly boggled by this!

Not sure what the solution is either. Leave the cockpit locked to prevent crazies gaining control of the plane or leave it open to prevent crazies gaining control of the plane??

Flew to Dallas this week and when the captain came over the tannoy it was a woman. First time I have ever heard a woman captain! But it was strangely reassuring! I thought to myself this is the answer! Only let women fly planes. Yet having checked out the stats women are statistically twice as likely to suffer from clinical depression than men! So only let men fly planes. Who knows what the answer is? What a head fuck!
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« Reply #48 on: March 27, 2015, 08:17:51 AM »

Had a woman pilot once. Flight was great. Took her two hours to park though.
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« Reply #49 on: March 27, 2015, 09:58:31 AM »

A woman's brain is far more naturally suited to being a pilot, they crush us men in the aptitude tests (on average, multitasking)
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« Reply #50 on: March 27, 2015, 12:21:55 PM »

Wish that the media would stop using the word suicide.  Its mass murder.

Also was on an A320 today - again the media are saying that the passengers would have been unaware of what was happening until the last few seconds.  If the pilot really was trying to force the door then there is zero chance of them not beimg aware of it.

Agree.
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« Reply #51 on: March 27, 2015, 12:36:45 PM »

Had a woman pilot once. Flight was great. Took her two hours to park though.

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« Reply #52 on: March 27, 2015, 02:18:01 PM »

Wish that the media would stop using the word suicide.  Its mass murder.

Also was on an A320 today - again the media are saying that the passengers would have been unaware of what was happening until the last few seconds.  If the pilot really was trying to force the door then there is zero chance of them not beimg aware of it.

It seems 99% certain this was suicide, do you get annoyed when people say the term suicide bomber? 

Guess it would be easier if there was an equivalent term like suicide murderer.  Though even that is difficult, as without access to his thinking at the time, we don't really know if he was a suicide murderer or suicide manslaughterer.
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« Reply #53 on: March 27, 2015, 02:45:39 PM »

If someone guns down a group of school kids and then turns the gun on themselves, it's termed as mass-murder - sometimes with the additional tag of murder-suicide. 

No matter what the motivation was for this pilot's actions, he knew he was killing 150 people - and that's murder, surely?
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« Reply #54 on: March 27, 2015, 02:51:51 PM »

If a bloke jumps of a bridge and a motorist dies then I have some sympathy that he didn't mean to put someone elses life in danger and it's "suicide manslaughter" or whatever we want to call it.   If you deliberately crash a plane into a mountain then you almost 100% know you are ending the lives of the passengers in the back.  It's mass murder.
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« Reply #55 on: March 27, 2015, 02:52:26 PM »

diminished responsibility tho so it's not murder right?
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« Reply #56 on: March 27, 2015, 03:07:20 PM »

diminished responsibility tho so it's not murder right?

Well as I look at it now, assuming that he survived, diminished responsibility would look a possible on the news leaking out.  It seems an easier argument to make than to claim this wasn't suicide.

Suicide and murder aren't mutually exclusive, I think this is what people are missing here. 



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« Reply #57 on: March 27, 2015, 03:07:55 PM »

Do we say it's not murder when there is a school mass shooting in the US and then the gunman kills himself?   Surely they have diminished responsibility as well in that case.

It's a short haul flight - he's made a decision to involve the passengers rather than end it all before or after the flight.  He's a murderer in my eyes, irrespective of how the court might view it technically.
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« Reply #58 on: March 27, 2015, 03:15:25 PM »

I see the media have started their stigmatisation of depression already Sad
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« Reply #59 on: March 27, 2015, 04:14:12 PM »

Do we say it's not murder when there is a school mass shooting in the US and then the gunman kills himself?   Surely they have diminished responsibility as well in that case.

It's a short haul flight - he's made a decision to involve the passengers rather than end it all before or after the flight.  He's a murderer in my eyes, irrespective of how the court might view it technically.

So it was suicide then, and it is ok for the media to use that term?
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