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« Reply #15 on: April 08, 2015, 09:32:06 PM »


What kind of attitude is that?
You two and Matt deserve to be eaten.

Honesty is one of my values.  I'm not much of a fighter, I would give it a go but doubt i would be quick or strong enough.  

We don't have to use brute force or speed, we're going to bide our time, fashion a rope from plaited bark, make noose to slip over its jaws and then stab it in the soft bits.




I once made a desk tidy for a GCSE project out of pine and a lot of glue. This feels ambitious.

I'd climb a tree and my only chance would be forming a Tal-Alligator Alliance.

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« Reply #16 on: April 08, 2015, 09:49:43 PM »


What kind of attitude is that?
You two and Matt deserve to be eaten.

Honesty is one of my values.  I'm not much of a fighter, I would give it a go but doubt i would be quick or strong enough.  

We don't have to use brute force or speed, we're going to bide our time, fashion a rope from plaited bark, make noose to slip over its jaws and then stab it in the soft bits.




I once made a desk tidy for a GCSE project out of pine and a lot of glue. This feels ambitious.

I'd climb a tree and my only chance would be forming a Tal-Alligator Alliance.


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I am aware that my faith in my own abilities sometimes verges on delusional, but I genuinely think I could take out an alligator, mostly for the reasons Evilpie points out.
If it were a lion or a grizzly though I think I'd probably use the knife on myself to save having to listen the sound teeth make on a human skull.




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« Reply #17 on: April 09, 2015, 12:15:10 AM »

If it comes down to waiting it out surely we're going to starve to death before the alligator? Or we have to drink the dirty creek water and lose to some water borne illness?
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« Reply #18 on: April 09, 2015, 12:45:21 AM »

We have the best weapons of all, a big brain and the power to reason.

We don't use the knife you stab the alligator, we use it to construct a simple pitfall trap with sharpened stakes at the bottom.
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« Reply #19 on: April 09, 2015, 01:31:51 AM »

We don't have to use brute force or speed, we're going to bide our time, fashion a rope from plaited bark, make noose to slip over its jaws and then stab it in the soft bits.

Stabbing it in any 'soft' bits will have no effect. You will have to get it in the back of the head, straight into the brain.
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« Reply #20 on: April 09, 2015, 01:35:28 AM »

Is Mr Gator just going to sit nice and quiet while we dig this pit?

I've watched Swamp people you know, and that doesn't seem likely!

If he is happy to sit tight for that week I'm digging though, i'm in!
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« Reply #21 on: April 09, 2015, 10:37:01 AM »

I'd climb a tree and starve to death.

Actually, I'm no tarzan, I'd probably injure myself falling from the first branch and he would slowly walk up and eat me.
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« Reply #22 on: April 09, 2015, 12:58:00 PM »

I like Red's thinking, something other than stabbing it.   Ideally I'd not want to touch it at all!   

Not sure if I'd win or not but I certainly wouldn't give up if one of us has to go.
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« Reply #23 on: April 09, 2015, 01:12:38 PM »

We have the best weapons of all, a big brain and the power to reason.

We don't use the knife you stab the alligator, we use it to construct a simple pitfall trap with sharpened stakes at the bottom.


We've only got an acre to work with so we're going to have to be very careful watching our back whilst the trap is under construction.

An acre is about 4000 square metres so if we assume a square(ish) area that's only about 65m x 65m

The trap is going to have to be reasonably deep for the alligator to impale himself on our stakes and the stakes are going to have to be firmly embedded to not fall over on impact. This is going to take time to construct properly.

I don't like the thought of being at the bottom of a deep pit burying stakes whilst there's an alligator roaming within 30 metres!! If he falls in with us we're done for!!


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« Reply #24 on: April 09, 2015, 01:20:48 PM »

I'd just do a Steve Irwin and make a lassoo of sorts out of some of my clothes, then try and lassoo it around its mouth as best as I could using a stick until I can get in close enough to tie it better. Wouldn't be straight forward, but with a bit of patience it could be done. Game over once the mouth is out of action...
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« Reply #25 on: April 09, 2015, 01:27:42 PM »

surely you win or die trying

a human can last a long time without food, albeit with a serious lowering of ability as time progresses

but without water we wont last very long at all

water is the alligator's home, but we need it to survive, so either we go into the water with the knife plus any other offensive/defensive tools we have made and take the alligator on when we have as much energy as we can, or we try and secure an area where we can safey get water while working on a better plan of attack.

for me it'd be a case of find the alligator, and try and get something in it's mouth, jammed down it's throat as far as i can get it, so preferably a good sized tree branch that i'd sharpened with the knife, perhaps even putting a backwards facing fork into it so that if i were able to get it into it's throat it would jam there, that way the alligators main weapon was disabled and i'd hopefully be able to then use the knife to dispatch it quickly, not for it's sake, but for my own

All in all, i think it's reasonably easy win for the human, like red said, we have a brain that thinks much better than a gator's.

interesting idea though, more details of the water depth and surroundings, what time of day it starts, are we expected to try and locate and fight a dark skinned creature at night etc etc etc
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« Reply #26 on: April 09, 2015, 01:29:31 PM »

I'd just do a Steve Irwin and make a lassoo of sorts out of some of my clothes, then try and lassoo it around its mouth as best as I could using a stick until I can get in close enough to tie it better. Wouldn't be straight forward, but with a bit of patience it could be done. Game over once the mouth is out of action...

Good idea. Not heard much about him lately, what is he up to these days?
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« Reply #27 on: April 09, 2015, 01:31:17 PM »

I'd just do a Steve Irwin and make a lassoo of sorts out of some of my clothes, then try and lassoo it around its mouth as best as I could using a stick until I can get in close enough to tie it better. Wouldn't be straight forward, but with a bit of patience it could be done. Game over once the mouth is out of action...

Good idea. Not heard much about him lately, what is he up to these days?

Popped his clogs a few years back unfortunately, freak accident with a stingray in the wild.
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« Reply #28 on: April 09, 2015, 01:33:11 PM »

I'd just do a Steve Irwin and make a lassoo of sorts out of some of my clothes, then try and lassoo it around its mouth as best as I could using a stick until I can get in close enough to tie it better. Wouldn't be straight forward, but with a bit of patience it could be done. Game over once the mouth is out of action...

Good idea. Not heard much about him lately, what is he up to these days?

Popped his clogs a few years back unfortunately, freak accident with a stingray in the wild.

Killed by the very thing he was stalking?

Gotcha.

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« Reply #29 on: April 09, 2015, 01:33:25 PM »

surely you win or die trying

a human can last a long time without food, albeit with a serious lowering of ability as time progresses

but without water we wont last very long at all

water is the alligator's home, but we need it to survive, so either we go into the water with the knife plus any other offensive/defensive tools we have made and take the alligator on when we have as much energy as we can, or we try and secure an area where we can safey get water while working on a better plan of attack.

for me it'd be a case of find the alligator, and try and get something in it's mouth, jammed down it's throat as far as i can get it, so preferably a good sized tree branch that i'd sharpened with the knife, perhaps even putting a backwards facing fork into it so that if i were able to get it into it's throat it would jam there, that way the alligators main weapon was disabled and i'd hopefully be able to then use the knife to dispatch it quickly, not for it's sake, but for my own

All in all, i think it's reasonably easy win for the human, like red said, we have a brain that thinks much better than a gator's.

interesting idea though, more details of the water depth and surroundings, what time of day it starts, are we expected to try and locate and fight a dark skinned creature at night etc etc etc

lol not a chance I'd go into the water to get him out. I'd rather use myself as bait by the waters edge to tease him out rather than go in with him lol. But agree, win or die trying...
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