The UK Politics and EU Referendum thread - merged

[RickBFA]

https://www.moneymarketing.co.uk/issues/29-march-2018/neil-woodford-uk-will-2018s-surprise-success-story/

More positivity about the UK economy in 2018.

[DungBeetle]

The real wages falling since 2010 is a damning stat I would agree.  The fact Labour are behind in the polls is truely incredible.  Any remotely sensible opposition would be streets ahead of this dreadful government.

[rfgqqabc]

https://blogs.spectator.co.uk/2018/03/uk-inward-investment-is-at-a-record-high-so-why-has-almost-no-one-reported-it/

Good to balance out the “news” from the Guardian.

Isn't this partly due to the £ weakening? Its weird how inward is mentioned in the hyperlink but not on the page or article. Also references US twice as a typo.

"The estimates in this release are short-term indicators of investment in non-financial assets in the UK, such as dwellings (residential buildings), transport equipment (planes, trains and automobiles), machinery (electrical equipment), buildings (non-residential buildings and roads) and intellectual property products (assets without physical properties – formerly known as intangibles). This release covers not only business investment, but asset and sector breakdowns of total gross fixed capital formation (GFCF), of which business investment is one component."

Why does it include residential dwellings? Its for construction companies building and not buy for let for example?

"Business investment in the wider economy
The Bank of England, in its most recent Agents’ summary of business conditions (PDF, 484KB), stated that investment intentions had “remained positive”, however, it is noted that these intentions are mainly the investment needed to maintain business activity and improve efficiency. The Bank of England states that strength in global demand and growth should encourage exporters to invest in additional capacity.

The Bank also notes that a range of different indicators suggests that Brexit-related uncertainties and expectations around lower future sales are weighing on business investment growth. From a survey source, it was found that nominal business investment was 3 to 4% lower in the year to June 2017 than it would have been otherwise. For a more comprehensive analysis around Brexit and business investment, please see page 17 of the Bank of England’s latest inflation report. (page 17 on its own was not useful, document itself is 50 pages)

Another important factor to consider when looking at business investment is the availability or supply of credit. Although the increase in Bank Rate has pushed up the cost of borrowing, the cost of borrowing to firms remains low. The Credit Conditions survey, however, reported a fall in demand for lending across firms of all sizes in the second half of 2017."

[MANTIS01]

I have just returned from a conference where every company used statistics to twist them into the message they wanted to deliver. Makes me cringe every time. Let's say the Tories were in power just as the zombie apocalypse occurred. Well if we iso-analyse waiting times in hospitals they will be the absolute worst. Saying it equates to terrible government and management of the NHS is buffoonery right?

We could say that all this decline happened when we were in the EU so quite right to make a change and strive for new markets right? Unless there is analysis of the complete picture where every variable is considered and then we wait like a coupla generations it's all meaningless plop. I don't know how many poker hands the Tory's tenure relates to but it seems to be a handful of turbos after you've just been felted for your net worth. All pointless data. That's why it's always best to stick to bantz. The only relevant thing is confidence and when any British peoples use a public platform to talk down our economic prospects I just think wtf?

[kukushkin88]

I have just returned from a conference where every company used statistics to twist them into the message they wanted to deliver. Makes me cringe every time. Let's say the Tories were in power just as the zombie apocalypse occurred. Well if we iso-analyse waiting times in hospitals they will be the absolute worst. Saying it equates to terrible government and management of the NHS is buffoonery right?

We could say that all this decline happened when we were in the EU so quite right to make a change and strive for new markets right? Unless there is analysis of the complete picture where every variable is considered and then we wait like a coupla generations it's all meaningless plop. I don't know how many poker hands the Tory's tenure relates to but it seems to be a handful of turbos after you've just been felted for your net worth. All pointless data. That's why it's always best to stick to bantz. The only relevant thing is confidence and when any British peoples use a public platform to talk down our economic prospects I just think wtf?

The thing is though, the stats here are really uncomplicated. They have spent relatively less on public services than any other government in our lifetimes and everything has declined as a direct result. There aren't complicated numbers to be crunched, twisted, misrepresented or misinterpreted.  Spent less, got worse.

[MANTIS01]

I have just returned from a conference where every company used statistics to twist them into the message they wanted to deliver. Makes me cringe every time. Let's say the Tories were in power just as the zombie apocalypse occurred. Well if we iso-analyse waiting times in hospitals they will be the absolute worst. Saying it equates to terrible government and management of the NHS is buffoonery right?

We could say that all this decline happened when we were in the EU so quite right to make a change and strive for new markets right? Unless there is analysis of the complete picture where every variable is considered and then we wait like a coupla generations it's all meaningless plop. I don't know how many poker hands the Tory's tenure relates to but it seems to be a handful of turbos after you've just been felted for your net worth. All pointless data. That's why it's always best to stick to bantz. The only relevant thing is confidence and when any British peoples use a public platform to talk down our economic prospects I just think wtf?

The thing is though, the stats here are really uncomplicated. They have spent relatively less on public services than any other government in our lifetimes and everything has declined as a direct result. There aren't complicated numbers to be crunched, twisted, misrepresented or misinterpreted.  Spent less, got worse.

Relatively less means they've actually spent more right? With people living longer and medical intervention more ingenious together with the worst of economic times spending less in relative terms isn't a huge surprise and doesn't mean they're clowns. We could twist our focus and say life expectancy has increased under the Tories. Now all things considered I'd prefer a year more of life than an extra 64p a week benefits, a quicker bus or a bowl of soup. Well done Tories for helping us all live longer. See how I used stats to illustrate Maybot is like the sweet baby Jesus?

[kukushkin88]

I have just returned from a conference where every company used statistics to twist them into the message they wanted to deliver. Makes me cringe every time. Let's say the Tories were in power just as the zombie apocalypse occurred. Well if we iso-analyse waiting times in hospitals they will be the absolute worst. Saying it equates to terrible government and management of the NHS is buffoonery right?

We could say that all this decline happened when we were in the EU so quite right to make a change and strive for new markets right? Unless there is analysis of the complete picture where every variable is considered and then we wait like a coupla generations it's all meaningless plop. I don't know how many poker hands the Tory's tenure relates to but it seems to be a handful of turbos after you've just been felted for your net worth. All pointless data. That's why it's always best to stick to bantz. The only relevant thing is confidence and when any British peoples use a public platform to talk down our economic prospects I just think wtf?

The thing is though, the stats here are really uncomplicated. They have spent relatively less on public services than any other government in our lifetimes and everything has declined as a direct result. There aren't complicated numbers to be crunched, twisted, misrepresented or misinterpreted.  Spent less, got worse.

Relatively less means they've actually spent more right? With people living longer and medical intervention more ingenious together with the worst of economic times spending less in relative terms isn't a huge surprise and doesn't mean they're clowns. We could twist our focus and say life expectancy has increased under the Tories. Now all things considered I'd prefer a year more of life than an extra 64p a week benefits, a quicker bus or a bowl of soup. Well done Tories for helping us all live longer. See how I used stats to illustrate Maybot is like the sweet baby Jesus?

Life expectancy isn't a measure that this government would want to be judged on. There hasn't been a worse 8 years for life expectancy. It's falling in many parts of the country, the great wars didn't even manage that.

[RickBFA]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-43613464

Kuku can add Sir David Garrard to his list of simpletons.

People like this aren’t part of the right wing press and has been a key financial figure supporting Labour.

Maybe he just hasn’t read Jeremy’s speeches properly?

[kukushkin88]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-43613464

Kuku can add Sir David Garrard to his list of simpletons.

People like this aren’t part of the right wing press and has been a key financial figure supporting Labour.

Maybe he just hasn’t read Jeremy’s speeches properly?

Just to explain the 'list of simpletons:-)' it totals two and is about talking and trolling with authority on subjects that they know close to nothing about. David Garrard is entitled to have his opinion listened to and respected.

Are we still in agreement that the Conservative Party is much more racist than Labour? It seems like an important point.

[RickBFA]

I have just returned from a conference where every company used statistics to twist them into the message they wanted to deliver. Makes me cringe every time. Let's say the Tories were in power just as the zombie apocalypse occurred. Well if we iso-analyse waiting times in hospitals they will be the absolute worst. Saying it equates to terrible government and management of the NHS is buffoonery right?

We could say that all this decline happened when we were in the EU so quite right to make a change and strive for new markets right? Unless there is analysis of the complete picture where every variable is considered and then we wait like a coupla generations it's all meaningless plop. I don't know how many poker hands the Tory's tenure relates to but it seems to be a handful of turbos after you've just been felted for your net worth. All pointless data. That's why it's always best to stick to bantz. The only relevant thing is confidence and when any British peoples use a public platform to talk down our economic prospects I just think wtf?

The thing is though, the stats here are really uncomplicated. They have spent relatively less on public services than any other government in our lifetimes and everything has declined as a direct result. There aren't complicated numbers to be crunched, twisted, misrepresented or misinterpreted.  Spent less, got worse.

Relatively less means they've actually spent more right? With people living longer and medical intervention more ingenious together with the worst of economic times spending less in relative terms isn't a huge surprise and doesn't mean they're clowns. We could twist our focus and say life expectancy has increased under the Tories. Now all things considered I'd prefer a year more of life than an extra 64p a week benefits, a quicker bus or a bowl of soup. Well done Tories for helping us all live longer. See how I used stats to illustrate Maybot is like the sweet baby Jesus?

Life expectancy isn't a measure that this government would want to be judged on. There hasn't been a worse 8 years for life expectancy. It's falling in many parts of the country, the great wars didn't even manage that.

Just checked the detailed numbers on the graph in the Office for National Statistics report.

Life expectancy 08-10 for UK
Male 78.01
Female 82.08

Life expectancy 14-16 for UK
Male 79.17
Female 82.86

Detailed study published in September 2017 - not a piece of agenda led journalism from The Guardian.

https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/birthsdeathsandmarriages/lifeexpectancies/bulletins/nationallifetablesunitedkingdom/2014to2016

We can all pick stats to prove a point - in 6 years of Tory Government life expectancy has risen across UK as a whole.

[kukushkin88]

I have just returned from a conference where every company used statistics to twist them into the message they wanted to deliver. Makes me cringe every time. Let's say the Tories were in power just as the zombie apocalypse occurred. Well if we iso-analyse waiting times in hospitals they will be the absolute worst. Saying it equates to terrible government and management of the NHS is buffoonery right?

We could say that all this decline happened when we were in the EU so quite right to make a change and strive for new markets right? Unless there is analysis of the complete picture where every variable is considered and then we wait like a coupla generations it's all meaningless plop. I don't know how many poker hands the Tory's tenure relates to but it seems to be a handful of turbos after you've just been felted for your net worth. All pointless data. That's why it's always best to stick to bantz. The only relevant thing is confidence and when any British peoples use a public platform to talk down our economic prospects I just think wtf?

The thing is though, the stats here are really uncomplicated. They have spent relatively less on public services than any other government in our lifetimes and everything has declined as a direct result. There aren't complicated numbers to be crunched, twisted, misrepresented or misinterpreted.  Spent less, got worse.

Relatively less means they've actually spent more right? With people living longer and medical intervention more ingenious together with the worst of economic times spending less in relative terms isn't a huge surprise and doesn't mean they're clowns. We could twist our focus and say life expectancy has increased under the Tories. Now all things considered I'd prefer a year more of life than an extra 64p a week benefits, a quicker bus or a bowl of soup. Well done Tories for helping us all live longer. See how I used stats to illustrate Maybot is like the sweet baby Jesus?

Life expectancy isn't a measure that this government would want to be judged on. There hasn't been a worse 8 years for life expectancy. It's falling in many parts of the country, the great wars didn't even manage that.

Just checked the detailed numbers on the graph in the Office for National Statistics report.

Life expectancy 08-10 for UK
Male 78.01
Female 82.08

Life expectancy 14-16 for UK
Male 79.17
Female 82.86

Detailed study published in September 2017 - not a piece of agenda led journalism from The Guardian.

https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/birthsdeathsandmarriages/lifeexpectancies/bulletins/nationallifetablesunitedkingdom/2014to2016

We can all pick stats to prove a point - in 6 years of Tory Government life expectancy has risen across UK as a whole.

So the increase in LE has slowed at an unprecedented rate and actually fallen in parts of the country for the first time ever, including the 2 great wars. They must be proud.

[RickBFA]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-43613464

Kuku can add Sir David Garrard to his list of simpletons.

People like this aren’t part of the right wing press and has been a key financial figure supporting Labour.

Maybe he just hasn’t read Jeremy’s speeches properly?

Just to explain the 'list of simpletons:-)' it totals two and is about talking and trolling with authority on subjects that they know close to nothing about. David Garrard is entitled to have his opinion listened to and respected.

Are we still in agreement that the Conservative Party is much more racist than Labour? It seems like an important point.

Right now it’s the Labour Party in the dock over racism.

Secondly, if Garrards opinion should be respected, why do you think he is so pissed off?

Thirdly, i’ll not comment on the usual condescending tone apart from to say my opinion and comment has just as much validity as yours, even if I am a simpleton.

[kukushkin88]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-43613464

Kuku can add Sir David Garrard to his list of simpletons.

People like this aren’t part of the right wing press and has been a key financial figure supporting Labour.

Maybe he just hasn’t read Jeremy’s speeches properly?

Just to explain the 'list of simpletons:-)' it totals two and is about talking and trolling with authority on subjects that they know close to nothing about. David Garrard is entitled to have his opinion listened to and respected.

Are we still in agreement that the Conservative Party is much more racist than Labour? It seems like an important point.

Right now it’s the Labour Party in the dock over racism.

Secondly, if Garrards opinion should be respected, why do you think he is so pissed off?

Thirdly, i’ll not comment on the usual condescending tone apart from to say my opinion and comment has just as much validity as yours, even if I am a simpleton.

I don't think you're a simpleton.

I think all very rich people will have an agenda in this situation. Why is it Labour in the dock, when the ruling party is as Owen Jones put it aptly a "cesspit of racism"?

[MANTIS01]

With horrid cesspit, racialist government producing worst stats since Boer War Jezza gotta be one of the two simpletons right?

[neeko]

This post is bringing statistics to a pointless argument so please ignore.

In the early 20thC the big change in life expectancy was the improvement in early years life outcome, (under stoped dying)

https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/birthsdeathsandmarriages/lifeexpectancies/articles/howhaslifeexpectancychangedovertime/2015-09-09

Below is the stats for brith rates in the 2nd decade of the 20thC, and the relative proportion of m/f living through the 1st WW.

https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/birthsdeathsandmarriages/ageing/articles/theimpactofthefirstworldwaronthe90andoverpopulationoftheuk/2015