The UK Politics and EU Referendum thread - merged

[TightEnd]

the UK housing minister says the rise in homelessness is due to factors like drugs & family breakdown.

just look at the data, other factors are more important

https://www.ft.com/content/9fe37816-ffa4-11e8-aebf-99e208d3e521

[TightEnd]

Times exclusive

Whitehall planners will tell Britons to “vary your diet” in event of disruption at the border
- Cumbria amongst the locations of big hangars needed for food storage

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/910e69b4-04a3-11e9-9685-be54be25c61a

[MANTIS01]

Mr JCB is sanguine

unfortunately still a lot of misunderstanding around

We trade with Australia (and others) under WTO rules AS PART OF THE EU. The UK does not have its own list of tariff schedules for such trade. These would have to be negotiated after a no deal Brexit.

The chairman of JCB says that after Brexit there will be disruption but business will adapt and it’s not the end of the world

Don’t see the misunderstanding

[TightEnd]

paragraphs 3 and 4 are a misunderstanding, where he talks about trading on WTO terms currently

i repeat "We trade with Australia (and others) under WTO rules AS PART OF THE EU. The UK does not have its own list of tariff schedules for such trade. These would have to be negotiated after a no deal Brexit."

the key point being we only trade under WTO rules currently with countries as the EU has a schedule. we don't have an independent one

we think this will be seamless?

[tikay]

I'm delighted to see the level of convo has improved from tinned peaches to backhoe excavators. Now I'm interested.

[MANTIS01]

paragraphs 3 and 4 are a misunderstanding, where he talks about trading on WTO terms currently

i repeat "We trade with Australia (and others) under WTO rules AS PART OF THE EU. The UK does not have its own list of tariff schedules for such trade. These would have to be negotiated after a no deal Brexit."

the key point being we only trade under WTO rules currently with countries as the EU has a schedule. we don't have an independent one

we think this will be seamless?

Negotiating our own tariff schedules would form part of the “disruption” he mentions

If the fella said the transition would be seamless I would agree about misunderstanding

His key message is business will adapt. Think the misunderstanding is with Remain who don’t seem to grasp this.

[nirvana]

the UK housing minister says the rise in homelessness is due to factors like drugs & family breakdown.

just look at the data, other factors are more important

https://www.ft.com/content/9fe37816-ffa4-11e8-aebf-99e208d3e521

Steady on - you're on a path from Thatcherite to Socialist. Is it age, influence of people around you or Brexit that has caused this - genuine question

[RED-DOG]

I'm delighted to see the level of convo has improved from tinned peaches to backhoe excavators. Now I'm interested.

Now all we need is a backhoe typo and everyone will be interested.

[TightEnd]

the UK housing minister says the rise in homelessness is due to factors like drugs & family breakdown.

just look at the data, other factors are more important

https://www.ft.com/content/9fe37816-ffa4-11e8-aebf-99e208d3e521

Steady on - you're on a path from Thatcherite to Socialist. Is it age, influence of people around you or Brexit that has caused this - genuine question

none of the above and neither Thatcherite or socialist

just an interesting article,after the subject was mentioned yesterday before the troops went onto the huge importance of a politician's looks compared to discussing homelessless policy ;-)

[Doobs]

paragraphs 3 and 4 are a misunderstanding, where he talks about trading on WTO terms currently

i repeat "We trade with Australia (and others) under WTO rules AS PART OF THE EU. The UK does not have its own list of tariff schedules for such trade. These would have to be negotiated after a no deal Brexit."

the key point being we only trade under WTO rules currently with countries as the EU has a schedule. we don't have an independent one

we think this will be seamless?

Negotiating our own tariff schedules would form part of the “disruption” he mentions

If the fella said the transition would be seamless I would agree about misunderstanding

His key message is business will adapt. Think the misunderstanding is with Remain who don’t seem to grasp this.

remain is one person?

I think the word missing from your sentence is eventually.   It has been an enormous waste of time and money for businesses already.

Right now, there is no certainty over what regime they are working under in the next 3 months, or if there contingency plans will work or mesh with others planning under whatever the rules are.   Huge amounts will be wasted, other bits will hit problems that were not understood.   It is just enormously difficult disentangling thousamds of pages of laws and regulations to work out which bits will apply, which will change, how they will change, where you can assume UK equivalence, what the bits that refer to EU regulations will look like, where we are a third country, etc.

Where I have been working is a large business with some European customers, so has done a lot of preparation.  Dare say there are other businesses that have done nowhere near enough prep, and their are others who clearly think walking round looking tough and whistling the dambusters tune is adequate prepatation.  

It is a complete shitshow right now.  The basics should have been agreed months ago, and they should be arguing over the nitty gritty over the next few months.  Getting a months notice of the new rules is at least 12 months too little.

FWIW I suspect JCB will be fine, they have factories worldwide , have a pretty dominant market position in places and aren't going to be so reliant on the EU for orders.  

[nirvana]

The negotiated deal only addresses withdrawal (so blind to all intents and purposes in terms of our future relationship) and the transition period is not sensibly long enough to get rid of uncertainty.

To use the tone of the day, we are just as likely to crash out in Dec 20 with nothing agreed (as much due to time as anything else) and so we are condemned to a couple more years of nonsense (minimum) even if the deal goes through and might still face a cliff edge/ hard/ armageddon brexit in 2020.

With some fears, I'm starting to get attracted to the idea of no-deal as it brings everything to a head in the shortest possible timescale, provides a level of certainty and may even prove to be a ebtter starting point for negotiations with the EU around a future trading relationship. I guess a second ref (depending on the question) could also provide certainty and a short timescale to resolution. I'm about 52% No deal - 48% referendum at the moment.

[MANTIS01]

Britain just been voted No.1 country in the global business rankings

[nirvana]

the UK housing minister says the rise in homelessness is due to factors like drugs & family breakdown.

just look at the data, other factors are more important

https://www.ft.com/content/9fe37816-ffa4-11e8-aebf-99e208d3e521

Steady on - you're on a path from Thatcherite to Socialist. Is it age, influence of people around you or Brexit that has caused this - genuine question

none of the above and neither Thatcherite or socialist

just an interesting article,after the subject was mentioned yesterday before the troops went onto the huge importance of a politician's looks compared to discussing homelessless policy ;-)

Aah, I misspoke then, had always thought you were a kind of moderate Thatcherite that may have been on a journey.

Homelessness is such a devastating thing and, from my wife's work, I know that there really are a significant number of cases where people fall into the situation through no real fault of their own, loss of jobs/ loss of relationships/serious mental health issues/sky high rents in the South and a benefits system designed to cause hardship (why UC can't be given in advance rather than in arrears in a country like this I don't know).

Anyway, you'd think we could do better and issues like this and social care would definitely top my list of reasons why I'd love to see Brexit go away. Unfortunately we weren't particularly good at addressing these things even when Brexit wasn't an issue.

There is a lot of talk about citizen's assemblies at the moment - I think it would be nonsense to see this rammed through to address something as complex as Brexit but I'd love to see them used to start a proper, non party political debate to reach some consensus about what kind of country we want to be

[TightEnd]

the UK housing minister says the rise in homelessness is due to factors like drugs & family breakdown.

just look at the data, other factors are more important

https://www.ft.com/content/9fe37816-ffa4-11e8-aebf-99e208d3e521

Steady on - you're on a path from Thatcherite to Socialist. Is it age, influence of people around you or Brexit that has caused this - genuine question

none of the above and neither Thatcherite or socialist

just an interesting article,after the subject was mentioned yesterday before the troops went onto the huge importance of a politician's looks compared to discussing homelessless policy ;-)

Aah, I misspoke then, had always thought you were a kind of moderate Thatcherite that may have been on a journey.

Homelessness is such a devastating thing and, from my wife's work, I know that there really are a significant number of cases where people fall into the situation through no real fault of their own, loss of jobs/ loss of relationships/serious mental health issues/sky high rents in the South and a benefits system designed to cause hardship (why UC can't be given in advance rather than in arrears in a country like this I don't know).

Anyway, you'd think we could do better and issues like this and social care would definitely top my list of reasons why I'd love to see Brexit go away. Unfortunately we weren't particularly good at addressing these things even when Brexit wasn't an issue.

There is a lot of talk about citizen's assemblies at the moment - I think it would be nonsense to see this rammed through to address something as complex as Brexit but I'd love to see them used to start a proper, non party political debate to reach some consensus about what kind of country we want to be

Yes the article/research was pointing out that all of those factors contribute but the most important factor was high private rents/end of tenancies etc. Something you would think an effective social care policy could address, whoever was in government

the guy outside parliament (worked as a kitchen porter there but was homeless) and the 597 homeless deaths data this week were eye openers i think

Logically you would think all the diversion of resource across departments to Brexit would have an impact across all government agendas, this has to be one of the most damning. However its a longer term problem than that

[Sheriff Fatman]

Shocking mis-information from JRM.  Either the poster boy of the Hard Brexit fanclub fails to understand this particular consequence of No Deal, or he's choosing to deliberately mis-lead people about it.

Good to see him called out on it by Dunt, among others.

https://twitter.com/IanDunt/status/1075890083402838016