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Question: How will you vote on December 12th 2019
Conservative - 19 (33.9%)
Labour - 12 (21.4%)
SNP - 2 (3.6%)
Lib Dem - 8 (14.3%)
Brexit - 1 (1.8%)
Green - 6 (10.7%)
Other - 2 (3.6%)
Spoil - 0 (0%)
Not voting - 6 (10.7%)
Total Voters: 55

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« Reply #16065 on: January 07, 2019, 11:43:10 AM »



PS - I think it's pretty disappointing to see that this topic has mainly come to people posting links. Can we not engge without the help of other peoples opinions, if not, then what's the point of this forum?

Aaron has totally missed the point here, it's the links that promote the discussion plus the fact that I/we would miss loads of interesting stuff without them.

Keep posting Rich.

I haven't missed any point, because nobody has made a point.

I have instead pointed out that this is a discussion board, and at times, this discussion board is just literally Tighty posting links, with no response. I haven't said stop posting links all together, but there are pages back where it's just 10+ consecutive posts, with links, without reply.

Just saying.
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« Reply #16066 on: January 07, 2019, 12:25:48 PM »



PS - I think it's pretty disappointing to see that this topic has mainly come to people posting links. Can we not engge without the help of other peoples opinions, if not, then what's the point of this forum?

Aaron has totally missed the point here, it's the links that promote the discussion plus the fact that I/we would miss loads of interesting stuff without them.

Keep posting Rich.

I haven't missed any point, because nobody has made a point.

I have instead pointed out that this is a discussion board, and at times, this discussion board is just literally Tighty posting links, with no response. I haven't said stop posting links all together, but there are pages back where it's just 10+ consecutive posts, with links, without reply.

Just saying.

Why didn't you reply then?

Just asking....
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« Reply #16067 on: January 07, 2019, 01:24:22 PM »

Is everybody going to be watch the Brexit based drama tonight featuring Benedict Cumberbatch?

Brexit: The Uncivil War
9pm, Channel 4
If you thought you already knew all there was to know about Brexit, prepare for a surprise as writer James Graham dissects one of the most controversial events in recent history in a shocking topical drama about the 2016 European Union referendum temptingly tagged: “Everyone knows who won, but not everyone knows how”. Benedict Cumberbatch is typically magnetic as crumpled Leave campaign mastermind Dominic Cummings. Must-see television. Mike Bradley
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« Reply #16068 on: January 07, 2019, 01:31:34 PM »

Common Market 2.0 is coming to save us all............stand by your beds  Smiley
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« Reply #16069 on: January 07, 2019, 01:39:48 PM »

Sounds great, count me in.

They would have got a bigger audience if they called it Strictly Come Brexiting or I'm a Eurosceptic, Get Me Out of Here.
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« Reply #16070 on: January 07, 2019, 01:42:32 PM »

I have instead pointed out that this is a discussion board, and at times, this discussion board is just literally Tighty posting links, with no response. I haven't said stop posting links all together, but there are pages back where it's just 10+ consecutive posts, with links, without reply.

Tighty typically posts his latest information sources in batches, which is why you get a run of posts like this (if you look at the timing they'll be fairly close together).  After that, they'll typically prompt a discussion around them.

The thread would be immensely poorer without these contributions, as quite often they link to material few of us would find directly.
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« Reply #16071 on: January 07, 2019, 05:08:33 PM »

A government openly inflicting food shortages on the country??

Come now.

The inability of Remain to recognise what terminology like this really means prevents meaningful debate. Classic project fear. Some reduction in choice some increase in price perhaps. But a shortage of FOOD means people could starve to death. Such irrational, panic stricken, weak, slovenly rhetoric. Fodder for the EU negotiation position.

I don't think there is any condescending "come now" about it and at no point did i mention people starving to death. that's just lazily putting your own exaggerations onto my words

should the deal not get through parliament and the government then choose to go "no deal" (unless parliament finds a mechanism to stop it) rather than second ref, delay A50, revoke A50..whatever the option to delay leaving on those terms is

then the government will be voluntarily inflicting economic hardship to industry (affecting tax receipts, pension values etc etc), food shortages to consumers, lots more unemployment etc

Of course the government can "scorch earth" via big reductions in corporation tax, investment incentives etc to mitigate the impact no deal has but that has consequences down the line (higher deficit, higher borrowing costs, austerity etc)

I do think that many laymen still think no deal = status quo and get quite dogmatic about our place in the world.

I don't think we, myself included, really adequately discount well enough how tough it is going to be. Many people wouldn't be quite so sanguine about it if they did

I’m pretty sure everybody recognises it’s going to be tough

But faced with a challenge it’s about what attitude people want to bring to the table and to what end

Some people conclude determination and confidence help.

Some people think capitulation and fear is the way to go.
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« Reply #16072 on: January 07, 2019, 05:31:28 PM »

Labour is 6 points behind a Government openly toying with inflicting food and drug shortages on its own population.

CON: 40% (-1)
LAB: 34% (-5)
LDEM: 10% (+3)
GRN: 4% (-)
UKIP: 4% (+1)

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Lets hope if there are any the moaning minnies take the shortfall first.
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« Reply #16073 on: January 08, 2019, 08:58:54 AM »

Is everybody going to be watch the Brexit based drama tonight featuring Benedict Cumberbatch?

Brexit: The Uncivil War
9pm, Channel 4
If you thought you already knew all there was to know about Brexit, prepare for a surprise as writer James Graham dissects one of the most controversial events in recent history in a shocking topical drama about the 2016 European Union referendum temptingly tagged: “Everyone knows who won, but not everyone knows how”. Benedict Cumberbatch is typically magnetic as crumpled Leave campaign mastermind Dominic Cummings. Must-see television. Mike Bradley

I really enjoyed this. Cumberbatch very very good although not sure on the accent. 
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« Reply #16074 on: January 08, 2019, 01:12:53 PM »

I have to say that I probably use this thread as one of my primary sources of info about Brexit. A bunch of good links and articles posted and a variety of opinions from smart people with very different opinions. Thanks to everyone for their continued posting in this thread.
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« Reply #16075 on: January 08, 2019, 01:59:24 PM »

Michael Gove has colourfully compared MPs waiting for something better than Theresa May's Brexit deal to "mid-50s swingers waiting for Scarlett Johansson to turn up".
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« Reply #16076 on: January 08, 2019, 02:15:00 PM »

Michael Gove has colourfully compared MPs waiting for something better than Theresa May's Brexit deal to "mid-50s swingers waiting for Scarlett Johansson to turn up".

LOL very funny.

However when we consider Miss Johansson’s latest squeeze is 53yr-old Kevin Yorn it justifies engaging with “the art of the possible”

I’m sure Mr Gove thinks returning to a nagging old bag wife is the safe option but I’m in the waiting for Scarlett to turn up camp.
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« Reply #16077 on: January 08, 2019, 04:15:33 PM »

I think we had Scarlett but we decided we needed our own space.
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« Reply #16078 on: January 08, 2019, 05:39:24 PM »

Its when Scarlett turns up with a bag full of tinned peaches we need to worry.
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« Reply #16079 on: January 08, 2019, 08:31:43 PM »

In other good news, at least Trump and our friends in Washington rank us ahead of the EU in terms of importance

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-46798861 
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