The UK Politics and EU Referendum thread - merged

[MANTIS01]

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/aug/12/us-and-britain-could-sign-sector-by-sector-trade-deals-says-bolton

“The fashion in the EU is when the peasants vote the wrong way from the way the elites want to go is to get them to vote again and again until they get it right”

The Irish can certainly relate to that

[kukushkin88]

John Bolton visiting UK says USA “enthusiastically support” No Deal and that a bumper sector by sector trade deal will be a priority

Think it was last year a poll in Ireland showed 40% of population valued free trade & movement with UK over EU membership. After Brexit when we start smashing it and Ireland is drowning without those valuable luxuries that % moves into majority territory. EU crumbling to be sure to be sure.

If you could find out what makes you so vulnerable to all this bullshit, you could sell it to the likes of Dominic Cummings and companies like any new incarnations of Cambridge Analytica for a fortune. They were expecting to need to spend hundreds of millions more on indoctrination, you’re already there.

John Bolton had long been consigned to the loony bin until Donald brought him back, he is talking utter nonsense as Tighty points out, you’ve already taken it hook, line and sinker though.

[MANTIS01]

Boris 5x phone calls with Trump in 18 days. Bout twice as many as Maybot in 3 years.

Polls say chunks of Irish unhappy with EU membership

It’s all just “utter nonsense”

[kukushkin88]

Boris 5x phone calls with Trump in 18 days. Bout twice as many as Maybot in 3 years.

Polls say chunks of Irish unhappy with EU membership

It’s all just “utter nonsense”

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Euroscepticism_in_the_Republic_of_Ireland

[MANTIS01]

Lol Wiki is always so accurate

Being so very desperate to prove nothing remotely positive is possible is all very hilarious

[kukushkin88]

Lol Wiki is always so accurate

Being so very desperate to prove nothing remotely positive is possible is all very hilarious

Look at the references.

There’s nothing desperate about exposing the dishonesty of the pro Brexit argument.

[BigAdz]

Lol Wiki is always so accurate

Being so very desperate to prove nothing remotely positive is possible is all very hilarious

3 of my mates have Wiki pages, all made up by others we know. Bar their name, not a single fact on them......

[Pokerpops]

A Long Read about how Remainistas came to be.


...And so these people, who once dismissed radicals as unreasonable, have themselves become radicalised. They used to pride themselves on their moderation; now, spurred on by rage, they divide the world into enemies and allies. What they are doing is loud, obsessive, tribal, confrontational – politics, in other words.


https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/aug/13/brexit-remain-radicalisation-fbpe-peoples-vote

[Pokerpops]

Lol Wiki is always so accurate

Being so very desperate to prove nothing remotely positive is possible is all very hilarious

3 of my mates have Wiki pages, all made up by others we know. Bar their name, not a single fact on them......

This highlights the issue...

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tony_Kendall_(poker_player)

[Doobs]

Lol Wiki is always so accurate

Being so very desperate to prove nothing remotely positive is possible is all very hilarious

3 of my mates have Wiki pages, all made up by others we know. Bar their name, not a single fact on them......

This highlights the issue...

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tony_Kendall_(poker_player)

No it doesn't, it means that minor celebrity's pages are prone to vandalism.   

That page shows nothing about the reliability of a well referenced page that is frequently edited, and doesn't excuse people from just making shit up and passing it off as fact and then acting like that is ok because "everybody else does it."

Of course people make shit up on all sides.

[kukushkin88]

Lol Wiki is always so accurate

Being so very desperate to prove nothing remotely positive is possible is all very hilarious

3 of my mates have Wiki pages, all made up by others we know. Bar their name, not a single fact on them......

This highlights the issue...

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tony_Kendall_(poker_player)

The wiki page I linked references 48 separate studies/polls/information sources, it’s veracity is beyond question and it highlights another example of Mantis making nonsense up to support his position.

[MANTIS01]

It’s a fact that the Irish people voted against the EU in the last referendum put to them, it’s a fact that UK is a more important trading partner than EU, it’s a fact that freedom of movement & trade with UK is more vital, it’s a fact that dissatisfaction will grow post Brexit.

Putting up a wiki page saying everything is rosy is indeed making shit up

[Pokerpops]

Lol Wiki is always so accurate

Being so very desperate to prove nothing remotely positive is possible is all very hilarious

3 of my mates have Wiki pages, all made up by others we know. Bar their name, not a single fact on them......

This highlights the issue...

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tony_Kendall_(poker_player)

No it doesn't, it means that minor celebrity's pages are prone to vandalism.   

That page shows nothing about the reliability of a well referenced page that is frequently edited, and doesn't excuse people from just making shit up and passing it off as fact and then acting like that is ok because "everybody else does it."

Of course people make shit up on all sides.

Are you saying Tikay is a minor celebrity?

[kukushkin88]

A Long Read about how Remainistas came to be.


...And so these people, who once dismissed radicals as unreasonable, have themselves become radicalised. They used to pride themselves on their moderation; now, spurred on by rage, they divide the world into enemies and allies. What they are doing is loud, obsessive, tribal, confrontational – politics, in other words.


https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/aug/13/brexit-remain-radicalisation-fbpe-peoples-vote

Credit to The Guardian for continuing to look for balance. It really is a lot of words to tell us nothing we didn’t already know though, it is kind of interesting all the same. I certainly share any disapproval for flag waving, angry ignorance. Andrew Adonis should be better.

It’s hard to find out much about Daniel Cohen, I haven’t come across his stuff in the FT.

[kukushkin88]

It’s a fact that the Irish people voted against the EU in the last referendum put to them, it’s a fact that UK is a more important trading partner than EU, it’s a fact that freedom of movement & trade with UK is more vital, it’s a fact that dissatisfaction will grow post Brexit.

Putting up a wiki page saying everything is rosy is indeed making shit up

lol 😂, that’s a weird and crazy rant.  Saying that the Irish people voted against the EU in the last referendum put to them is categorically untrue. The rest is, post Brexit, speculative at best.

The wiki part at the end is just embarrassing. All the Wikipedia article did was comprehensively demonstrate that you were making up nonsense, it had nothing to do with anything being rosy.