The UK Politics and EU Referendum thread - merged

[PokerBroker]

Seems a tad harsh from Ken, but had it been a massive donation, like some Labour have accepted in the past, I'd see his point.  

I am sure there are far better analogy's that could have been used.  Although, Sir Jimmy did donate quite a bit to Children's charities didn't he.  

[PokerBroker]

Ken Livingstone is a complete hypocrite

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/ken-livingstone-paid-8000-by-hedge-fund-to-entertain-their-clients-a6928116.html


i dont understand the view that labour politicians can't have personal wealth/property portfolios etc, there are labour millionaires throughout business and the arts and no doubt they all behave altruistically in their private lives, its just bonkers to suggest that a property portfolio is at odds with any sensible use of capital

Actions speak louder than words though.  Labour altruism is too often party speak.  Labour should be representative of the people that they are supposed to represent.  I'd have no issue with Labour millionaires if they were putting their money to good use instead of using it to buy, bully and remove themselves from the class they claim to represent.

But then again I like Corbyn/McDonald I can't stand the likes of Dianne Abbot or many of the Balirites.   

I have more compassion for some tories than I do of those on the left, because I don't expect them to act in the interests of the poor. 

[Jon MW]

... I'd have no issue with Labour millionaires if they were putting their money to good use instead of using it to buy, bully and remove themselves from the class they claim to represent.
...

You don't have to be black to represent black people, or female to represent women - you don't have to be poor and working class to represent the poor, working class - you certainly don't have to be a socialist.

I agree that there are a number of Labour hypocrites around - but I don't think you can necessarily judge it by just looking at their net wealth.

[DaveShoelace]

 

[Doobs]

Ken Livingstone is a complete hypocrite

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/ken-livingstone-paid-8000-by-hedge-fund-to-entertain-their-clients-a6928116.html


i dont understand the view that labour politicians can't have personal wealth/property portfolios etc, there are labour millionaires throughout business and the arts and no doubt they all behave altruistically in their private lives, its just bonkers to suggest that a property portfolio is at odds with any sensible use of capital

Actions speak louder than words though.  Labour altruism is too often party speak.  Labour should be representative of the people that they are supposed to represent.  I'd have no issue with Labour millionaires if they were putting their money to good use instead of using it to buy, bully and remove themselves from the class they claim to represent.

But then again I like Corbyn/McDonald I can't stand the likes of Dianne Abbot or many of the Balirites.   

I have more compassion for some tories than I do of those on the left, because I don't expect them to act in the interests of the poor. 

But Corbyn lives in Islington, has 30 years of MP's pension.  Multi millionaire in terms of assets.  Should live in a cardboard box under the M4, wanker.

[PokerBroker]

Ken Livingstone is a complete hypocrite

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/ken-livingstone-paid-8000-by-hedge-fund-to-entertain-their-clients-a6928116.html


i dont understand the view that labour politicians can't have personal wealth/property portfolios etc, there are labour millionaires throughout business and the arts and no doubt they all behave altruistically in their private lives, its just bonkers to suggest that a property portfolio is at odds with any sensible use of capital

Actions speak louder than words though.  Labour altruism is too often party speak.  Labour should be representative of the people that they are supposed to represent.  I'd have no issue with Labour millionaires if they were putting their money to good use instead of using it to buy, bully and remove themselves from the class they claim to represent.

But then again I like Corbyn/McDonald I can't stand the likes of Dianne Abbot or many of the Balirites.   

I have more compassion for some tories than I do of those on the left, because I don't expect them to act in the interests of the poor. 

But Corbyn lives in Islington, has 30 years of MP's pension.  Multi millionaire in terms of assets.  Should live in a cardboard box under the M4, wanker.

Stop trying to muddy the waters.    If Corbyn has created a portfolio of BTL properties over the years whilst advocating more affordable social housing then he'd drastically fall in my estimations. 

[PokerBroker]

... I'd have no issue with Labour millionaires if they were putting their money to good use instead of using it to buy, bully and remove themselves from the class they claim to represent.
...

You don't have to be black to represent black people, or female to represent women - you don't have to be poor and working class to represent the poor, working class - you certainly don't have to be a socialist.

I agree that there are a number of Labour hypocrites around - but I don't think you can necessarily judge it by just looking at their net wealth.

You don't but it certainly helps if you have walked the path of those who you wish to represent. 

It's my main gripe with Champagne Socialists.   Interested in causes all over the world but forget the problems on their own doorstep the majority of the time. 

[Doobs]

Ken Livingstone is a complete hypocrite

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/ken-livingstone-paid-8000-by-hedge-fund-to-entertain-their-clients-a6928116.html


i dont understand the view that labour politicians can't have personal wealth/property portfolios etc, there are labour millionaires throughout business and the arts and no doubt they all behave altruistically in their private lives, its just bonkers to suggest that a property portfolio is at odds with any sensible use of capital

Actions speak louder than words though.  Labour altruism is too often party speak.  Labour should be representative of the people that they are supposed to represent.  I'd have no issue with Labour millionaires if they were putting their money to good use instead of using it to buy, bully and remove themselves from the class they claim to represent.

But then again I like Corbyn/McDonald I can't stand the likes of Dianne Abbot or many of the Balirites.   

I have more compassion for some tories than I do of those on the left, because I don't expect them to act in the interests of the poor. 

But Corbyn lives in Islington, has 30 years of MP's pension.  Multi millionaire in terms of assets.  Should live in a cardboard box under the M4, wanker.

Stop trying to muddy the waters.    If Corbyn has created a portfolio of BTL properties over the years whilst advocating more affordable social housing then he'd drastically fall in my estimations. 

Muddy the waters?  Fella is an ex-private school boy, took a Brammer school place off someone more needy, screwed his a-levels, dropped out of poly.  Lived off the state for 30 years whilst getting filthy rich.  Easy to have principles whilst destroying the chance of the poor by holding the position he does.  Nothing to see here.

[PokerBroker]

Ken Livingstone is a complete hypocrite

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/ken-livingstone-paid-8000-by-hedge-fund-to-entertain-their-clients-a6928116.html


i dont understand the view that labour politicians can't have personal wealth/property portfolios etc, there are labour millionaires throughout business and the arts and no doubt they all behave altruistically in their private lives, its just bonkers to suggest that a property portfolio is at odds with any sensible use of capital

Actions speak louder than words though.  Labour altruism is too often party speak.  Labour should be representative of the people that they are supposed to represent.  I'd have no issue with Labour millionaires if they were putting their money to good use instead of using it to buy, bully and remove themselves from the class they claim to represent.

But then again I like Corbyn/McDonald I can't stand the likes of Dianne Abbot or many of the Balirites.   

I have more compassion for some tories than I do of those on the left, because I don't expect them to act in the interests of the poor. 

But Corbyn lives in Islington, has 30 years of MP's pension.  Multi millionaire in terms of assets.  Should live in a cardboard box under the M4, wanker.

Stop trying to muddy the waters.    If Corbyn has created a portfolio of BTL properties over the years whilst advocating more affordable social housing then he'd drastically fall in my estimations. 

Muddy the waters?  Fella is an ex-private school boy, took a Brammer school place off someone more needy, screwed his a-levels, dropped out of poly.  Lived off the state for 30 years whilst getting filthy rich.  Easy to have principles whilst destroying the chance of the poor by holding the position he does.  Nothing to see here.

Did you just lift that from Wiki?  The guy has a tremendous record as a local politician and activist.  I am happy to forgive him issues he may have had in his earlier days.   

[TightEnd]

Ken Livingstone is a complete hypocrite

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/ken-livingstone-paid-8000-by-hedge-fund-to-entertain-their-clients-a6928116.html


i dont understand the view that labour politicians can't have personal wealth/property portfolios etc, there are labour millionaires throughout business and the arts and no doubt they all behave altruistically in their private lives, its just bonkers to suggest that a property portfolio is at odds with any sensible use of capital

Actions speak louder than words though.  Labour altruism is too often party speak.  Labour should be representative of the people that they are supposed to represent.  I'd have no issue with Labour millionaires if they were putting their money to good use instead of using it to buy, bully and remove themselves from the class they claim to represent.

But then again I like Corbyn/McDonald I can't stand the likes of Dianne Abbot or many of the Balirites.   

I have more compassion for some tories than I do of those on the left, because I don't expect them to act in the interests of the poor. 

But Corbyn lives in Islington, has 30 years of MP's pension.  Multi millionaire in terms of assets.  Should live in a cardboard box under the M4, wanker.

Stop trying to muddy the waters.    If Corbyn has created a portfolio of BTL properties over the years whilst advocating more affordable social housing then he'd drastically fall in my estimations. 

Muddy the waters?  Fella is an ex-private school boy, took a Brammer school place off someone more needy, screwed his a-levels, dropped out of poly.  Lived off the state for 30 years whilst getting filthy rich.  Easy to have principles whilst destroying the chance of the poor by holding the position he does.  Nothing to see here.

Did you just lift that from Wiki?  The guy has a tremendous record as a local politician and activist.  I am happy to forgive him issues he may have had in his earlier days.   

lol!

[horseplayer]

Poker keep trying

A fair few of us have given up with this thread now due to comments like "lol" or anything that doesn't fit the tory blueprint.

[DaveShoelace]

Poker keep trying

A fair few of us have given up with this thread now due to comments like "lol" or anything that doesn't fit the tory blueprint.

Must say I was surprised that Tighty went for a 'lol' as, whatever you think of his politics, surely you agree generally he encourages open and healthy debate?

I'd personally suggest that rather than 'tory blueprint' most of the posters here (Other than Woodsey) are centrists who don't like Corbyn/socialism, though I might be wrong.

[TightEnd]

i just get stunned by the hypocrisy of it. "champagne socialists" get pilloried yet corbyn's questionable history is brushed aside

i'll try and avoid the lols, but that was what i was heartily doing at the time. Apoliogies.


anyway the budget today. plenty of chance for the opposition to get stuck into Osborne who is on a sticky wicket.

[Woodsey]

Poker keep trying

A fair few of us have given up with this thread now due to comments like "lol" or anything that doesn't fit the tory blueprint.

Must say I was surprised that Tighty went for a 'lol' as, whatever you think of his politics, surely you agree generally he encourages open and healthy debate?

I'd personally suggest that rather than 'tory blueprint' most of the posters here (Other than Woodsey) are centrists who don't like Corbyn/socialism, though I might be wrong.

Not really, I'm mostly centre right. But I'm aware that even mentioning the word immigration gets you branded as leader of the BNP by some. No big sweat though, I know it's one of the standard tactics used to try and stifle opinions that differ to theirs.

[George2Loose]

And the passive aggressive award goes to.....