The UK Politics and EU Referendum thread - merged

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One minister told #newsnight yesterday "Boris is worth 2% in any election - he was the difference in the referendum"

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"HSBC will move up to 1,000 staff from London to Paris if Britain leaves the Single Market. #Brexit"

"Up to 70,000 jobs may go

http://news.efinancialcareers.com/uk-en/248265/london-banking-redundancies-brexit/?utm_source=GLOBAL_ENG&utm_medium=SM_TW&utm_campaign=ARTICLE

At least £2.5bn lost income tax revenue"

job cuts apparently start next week

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There are liars and then there’s Boris Johnson and Michael Gove

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/jun/25/boris-johnson-michael-gove-eu-liars?CMP=share_btn_tw

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Dan Hannan tells us why Brexit might not mean big cuts to immigrant numbers

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this is a great read. inside the in campagin laying into cameron and corbyn. corbyn obstructing the strategy

http://www.politico.eu/article/how-david-cameron-lost-brexit-eu-referendum-prime-minister-campaign-remain-boris-craig-oliver-jim-messina-obama/

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the aussies have some fun

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 The English have placed a bomb under the Irish peace process

Fintan O'Toole

The vote for Brexit unthinkingly jeopardises the Good Friday Agreement, the greatest modern achievement of British diplomacy. It’s an insult to Ireland

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/jun/24/northern-irish-peace-sacrificed-english-nationalism

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I'm not sure how true this is but certainly seems feasible to me:

From The Guardian's comments section:

If Boris Johnson looked downbeat yesterday, that is because he realises that he has lost.

Perhaps many Brexiters do not realise it yet, but they have actually lost, and it is all down to one man: David Cameron.

With one fell swoop yesterday at 9:15 am, Cameron effectively annulled the referendum result, and simultaneously destroyed the political careers of Boris Johnson, Michael Gove and leading Brexiters who cost him so much anguish, not to mention his premiership.

How?

Throughout the campaign, Cameron had repeatedly said that a vote for leave would lead to triggering Article 50 straight away. Whether implicitly or explicitly, the image was clear: he would be giving that notice under Article 50 the morning after a vote to leave. Whether that was scaremongering or not is a bit moot now but, in the midst of the sentimental nautical references of his speech yesterday, he quietly abandoned that position and handed the responsibility over to his successor.

And as the day wore on, the enormity of that step started to sink in: the markets, Sterling, Scotland, the Irish border, the Gibraltar border, the frontier at Calais, the need to continue compliance with all EU regulations for a free market, re-issuing passports, Brits abroad, EU citizens in Britain, the mountain of legistlation to be torn up and rewritten ... the list grew and grew.

The referendum result is not binding. It is advisory. Parliament is not bound to commit itself in that same direction.

The Conservative party election that Cameron triggered will now have one question looming over it: will you, if elected as party leader, trigger the notice under Article 50?

Who will want to have the responsibility of all those ramifications and consequences on his/her head and shoulders?

Boris Johnson knew this yesterday, when he emerged subdued from his home and was even more subdued at the press conference. He has been out-maneouvered and check-mated.

If he runs for leadership of the party, and then fails to follow through on triggering Article 50, then he is finished. If he does not run and effectively abandons the field, then he is finished. If he runs, wins and pulls the UK out of the EU, then it will all be over - Scotland will break away, there will be upheaval in Ireland, a recession ... broken trade agreements. Then he is also finished. Boris Johnson knows all of this. When he acts like the dumb blond it is just that: an act.

The Brexit leaders now have a result that they cannot use. For them, leadership of the Tory party has become a poison chalice.

When Boris Johnson said there was no need to trigger Article 50 straight away, what he really meant to say was "never". When Michael Gove went on and on about "informal negotiations" ... why? why not the formal ones straight away? ... he also meant not triggering the formal departure. They both know what a formal demarche would mean: an irreversible step that neither of them is prepared to take.

All that remains is for someone to have the guts to stand up and say that Brexit is unachievable in reality without an enormous amount of pain and destruction, that cannot be borne. And David Cameron has put the onus of making that statement on the heads of the people who led the Brexit campaign.

I think this is spot on.

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ok answers please

is this real or fake?

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Daily Mail explains how Brexit will affect your holiday money, mortgages, passports, health cover.

Comments include

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 (((Rob Ford))) ‏@robfordmancs (professor at manchester uni, and ukip expert)

Brexit 16 vote maps almost perfectly on to UKIP 14 vote, but 25% higher across the board. Big Q IMO is - where did that 25% come from?

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Sam Coates Times ‏@SamCoatesTimes

Tory MP contacted by Boris campaign says they r telling MPs he wd go for an immediate general election if he wins to get fresh mandate.

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what a difference a day makes....