The UK Politics and EU Referendum thread - merged

[nirvana]

Can anyone here think of a more interesting time in British politics than this week? I guess Thatcher becoming PM in 1979 was probably quite seismic at the time.

3 day week 70s thru to early 80s was a period of great turmoil and a time of genuine existential threat (always wanted to get existential into a line as it's so de rigeur these days)

However, this kinda dwarves it in many levels - there was a bit more black and white at that time with choices to be made that were quite clear - left and right. Now, only the vote itself is black and white - the rest is pretty murky, real new territory kinda stuff

[TightEnd]

Can anyone here think of a more interesting time in British politics than this week? I guess Thatcher becoming PM in 1979 was probably quite seismic at the time.

Thatcher going and end of ERM was dramatic 1990-92 then Kinnock Sheffield rally but nothing close to compares to this

[MANTIS01]

I got 2 numbers on the lottery last night which is pretty close to 3 or more. I would like to call for a redraw until I win. Cheers.

[atdc21]

well u do get a redraw for 2 numbers dont u ......cant say u will win tho 

[atdc21]

One thing we can all agree on, as we all have an interest in politics is this is amazing stuff.

This thread is a cracking read and Tighty should take great credit for the time he spends posting news and views.

Its a must read thread every day, but its turned into must read every hour currently.

Agree with this, great stuff from Tighty, and many others.

[aaron1867]

With all the potential blocks, potential general election & possible re-negotiations, what is the actual chance of us leaving? Looks 50/50, regardless of the vote

[bobby1]

One thing we can all agree on, as we all have an interest in politics is this is amazing stuff.

This thread is a cracking read and Tighty should take great credit for the time he spends posting news and views.

Its a must read thread every day, but its turned into must read every hour currently.

Agree with this, great stuff from Tighty, and many others.

Very much this, as a non Twitterer it's been great to read the Tweets and links posted by Rich and others and some interesting points made by the guys here too.

[kukushkin88]

With all the potential blocks, potential general election & possible re-negotiations, what is the actual chance of us leaving? Looks 50/50, regardless of the vote

I'm thinking stay is favourite atm. It's terrible if the vote is ignored but surely better than the alternative. DC and the politics of doing absolutely anything to be electable have a lot to answer for. Apparently JC is still the main news though.

[RED-DOG]

As I understand it, the leave voters won the right to advise the government to trigger article 50, nothing else.

[JohnCharver]

Can anyone here think of a more interesting time in British politics than this week? I guess Thatcher becoming PM in 1979 was probably quite seismic at the time.

Never hear anybody talking about politics, now everywhere I go I can hear people discussing it, a subject people never would have thought to bring up pre-referendum. Its the best thing that ever happened to politics in this country and if they fail to honour all they will do is prove ppl were right to not give a shit. Even if the results turn sour then everyone has learned the result of not participating, neglecting parts of the electorate and how not to run an election. For years in this coutry labour/tory have done little more than tear strips off eachother instead of offering credible positives. We are seeing the results of this today, the only politicians actions are self-serving, fingerpointing and totally undemocratic. They really dont care people have spoken, they are in politician mode and making sure someone else is blamed and they arent the ones answering questions. Hilarious remain supporters crying about the working class destroying stuff when theyve totally ignored their plight for years. I dont think anyone calling for the vote to be nullified has any idea of the public backlash it will have.

[MANTIS01]

As I understand it, the leave voters won the right to advise the government to trigger article 50, nothing else.

True dat, the people won the right to advise the MPs that work for them what their desires are.

[kukushkin88]

Can anyone here think of a more interesting time in British politics than this week? I guess Thatcher becoming PM in 1979 was probably quite seismic at the time.

Never hear anybody talking about politics, now everywhere I go I can hear people discussing it, a subject people never would have thought to bring up pre-referendum. Its the best thing that ever happened to politics in this country and if they fail to honour all they will do is prove ppl were right to not give a shit. Even if the results turn sour then everyone has learned the result of not participating, neglecting parts of the electorate and how not to run an election. For years in this coutry labour/tory have done little more than tear strips off eachother instead of offering credible positives. We are seeing the results of this today, the only politicians actions are self-serving, fingerpointing and totally undemocratic. They really dont care people have spoken, they are in politician mode and making sure someone else is blamed and they arent the ones answering questions. Hilarious remain supporters crying about the working class destroying stuff when theyve totally ignored their plight for years. I dont think anyone calling for the vote to be nullified has any idea of the public backlash it will have.

You are right ideologically but what choice do they have? Cameron's desperate incompetence can't be allowed to destroy a nation just to protect democracy. Even though it's massively important to protect it, there have to be limits.

[MANTIS01]

2x lols

1. Jeremy Corbyn, just lol

2. People expressing a minority view as the 'correct view' we must act on, lololol

[bookiebasher]

One thing we can all agree on, as we all have an interest in politics is this is amazing stuff.

This thread is a cracking read and Tighty should take great credit for the time he spends posting news and views.

Its a must read thread every day, but its turned into must read every hour currently.

Agree totally. Fascinating stuff he puts up.

[Marky_Crash]

Can anyone here think of a more interesting time in British politics than this week? I guess Thatcher becoming PM in 1979 was probably quite seismic at the time.

Never hear anybody talking about politics, now everywhere I go I can hear people discussing it, a subject people never would have thought to bring up pre-referendum. Its the best thing that ever happened to politics in this country and if they fail to honour all they will do is prove ppl were right to not give a shit. Even if the results turn sour then everyone has learned the result of not participating, neglecting parts of the electorate and how not to run an election. For years in this coutry labour/tory have done little more than tear strips off eachother instead of offering credible positives. We are seeing the results of this today, the only politicians actions are self-serving, fingerpointing and totally undemocratic. They really dont care people have spoken, they are in politician mode and making sure someone else is blamed and they arent the ones answering questions. Hilarious remain supporters crying about the working class destroying stuff when theyve totally ignored their plight for years. I dont think anyone calling for the vote to be nullified has any idea of the public backlash it will have.

It is great that people who have been generally marginalised from politics are talking about these issues and I agree if the vote is nullified it will have a huge backlash. I do tend to think there are things the general public should vote on and things they probably shouldn't be voting on. I have been studying politics amongst other things in the last couple of years and looked into the EU issue in quite some depth and I couldn't decide what the correct vote would be. While some people will have voted and have had extremely valid points which swayed their vote, just how many will have voted for the most idiotic reasons which had no grounding in reality?

The whole issue of whether to stay or leave the EU is such an extremely complex issue which will have profound implications for the UK/EU/World for many years to come. I don't feel comfortable leaving such decisions to 'Jack & Jill' who might have been taken in by a compelling extremist 'Britain's First' post on Facebook but have no clue about politics or economics etc. In the same way I wouldn't want a referendum of the general population to decide the best way to carry out a triple heart bypass if I needed one, I would want a qualified surgeon to decide, I don't think the general public were the best way to weigh up the deep implications of EU membership. This should have IMO been considered by experts in the field with no ulterior motives. How you would bring together a group of people considered experts who have no ulterior motives to decide on this issue would be another matter altogether, politicians seem to have ruled themselves out due to their self serving biases...