The UK Politics and EU Referendum thread - merged

[Woodsey]

Gotta big up how quickly the Tories go their leadership contest done compared to this shambles, it hasn't done much for the narrative that the left can't stop in-fighting long enough to get anything done.

Just imagine labour as it is currently trying to actually run a country 

[DaveShoelace]

Gotta big up how quickly the Tories go their leadership contest done compared to this shambles, it hasn't done much for the narrative that the left can't stop in-fighting long enough to get anything done.

Not sure if you're serious here, but the Labour Leadership election wasn't caused by left in-fighting.

Now I'm not sure if you are being serious here, what on earth is it that are witnessing other than left in-fighting?

[DungBeetle]

I guess the Labour moderates aren't really left wing so it's more a central area of the party trying to stop Corbyn doing his job as opposed to different left wing factions at war.  But there is a point to be made about Corbyn being unable to work with and get buy in from those with different views in the wider party.

[PokerBroker]

This made me chuckle

Duncan Hothersall ‏@dhothersall

Head of Momentum has never voted Labour, backed Tories when Labour was in government, was head of Lib Dems at uni and voted Green in 2015.


interviewed yesterday James Schneider said that he supported the Tories while at school because the A level economics syllabus taught the "hard neoliberal consensus"

:-)

Every member of socialist worker was a Quentin when I was at university.  It was all "rah, rah, hunt was splendid at the weekend" until someone walked past and they put on their best commoner voice to shout "socialist worker".  Of course, the World changes and of course these aren't the people who compete to be the most left wing on twitter. 

I think I might give pokerbroker a Quentin voice when reading his posts.

Winning for Corbyn as in losing for labour?

!  Nothing Quentin about me pal. 

Can also agree with most of the SWP they are a barmy bunch and my dealings with them over the years has resulted in my forming the opinion they come from rich families mostly and suffer from the burden of their conscience.

I'm not a Labour voter either.  Militant ant-fascism and proper working class ground worker is my cup of tea. 

[TightEnd]

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[TightEnd]

Lots of British farmers sharing thoughts on Brexit's threat to farming subsidies here http://on.ft.com/2aH8PhO

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[TightEnd]

More for LAB leadership race: The statistical probability party winning the next general election is ZERO

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/labour-jeremy-corbyn-election-poll-chances-tories-theresa-may-electability-a7179021.html

[ripple11]

More for LAB leadership race: The statistical probability party winning the next general election is ZERO

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/labour-jeremy-corbyn-election-poll-chances-tories-theresa-may-electability-a7179021.html

...and the bookies have a labour majorty between 7/2 and 9/2 !!!  

[TightEnd]

this is an interesting read (promise)

profile of Craig Oliver, the man who advised the rwmain campaign and frankly is a bit delusional still

“Genuinely, I don’t think we would’ve run a different campaign”:

http://www.politico.eu/article/craig-oliver-david-cameron-no-regrets-an-insiders-guide-to-brexit-failure/

[Doobs]

More for LAB leadership race: The statistical probability party winning the next general election is ZERO

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/labour-jeremy-corbyn-election-poll-chances-tories-theresa-may-electability-a7179021.html

...and the bookies have a labour majorty between 7/2 and 9/2 !!!  

Stale market innit.  Coral 11/10 conservatives overall majority.  Good luck getting that on betfair.

[TightEnd]

Tom Watson wants to return to Labour's electoral college (bit late now, the fox has left the hen house)

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http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/aug/09/tom-watson-interview-jeremy-corbyn-labour-rifts-hug-shout

[TightEnd]

Labour’s paradox: The huge increase in members hasn’t led to greater electoral success, rather the reverse

http://www2.politicalbetting.com/index.php/archives/2016/08/10/labours-paradox-the-huge-increase-in-members-hasnt-led-to-greater-electoral-success-rather-the-reverse/

[ripple11]

Tom Watson wants to return to Labour's electoral college (bit late now, the fox has left the hen house)

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http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/aug/09/tom-watson-interview-jeremy-corbyn-labour-rifts-hug-shout

So basically Ed stabbed the winnable brother in the back, lost the election to an overall majority........and then f***ed the labour party voting system for years.

[TightEnd]

TNS (changes vs GE15):

CON 39 (+1)
LAB 26 (-5)
LD 10 (+2)
UKIP 11 (-2)
 GRN 7 (+3)
 SNP 4 (-1)

5th-8th
N=1,199

[TightEnd]

YouGov:

CON 38 (-4)
LAB 31 (+3)
 LD 8 (=)
UKIP 13 (+1)
GRN 4 (+1)
SNP 5 (=)

8th-9th

N=1692