The UK Politics and EU Referendum thread - merged

[RED-DOG]

You can't make it right by taking away someone's freedom to choose.

You usually make a great argument Dave, but I really think you should hold your hands up on this one.

[DaveShoelace]

You can't make it right by taking away someone's freedom to choose.

You usually make a great argument Dave, but I really think you should hold your hands up on this one.

Is doubleup called Dave? I'm 99% sure that's who you mean but double checking that's who you mean and not my online screen name (as I agree with you).

[RED-DOG]

You can't make it right by taking away someone's freedom to choose.

You usually make a great argument Dave, but I really think you should hold your hands up on this one.

Is doubleup called Dave? I'm 99% sure that's who you mean but double checking that's who you mean and not my online screen name (as I agree with you).

Yes. Well at least I hope so, I've been calling him that for years.

[DaveShoelace]

You can't make it right by taking away someone's freedom to choose.

You usually make a great argument Dave, but I really think you should hold your hands up on this one.

Is doubleup called Dave? I'm 99% sure that's who you mean but double checking that's who you mean and not my online screen name (as I agree with you).

Yes. Well at least I hope so, I've been calling him that for years.

And just to be 100% clear, you're that Tony fella from the Sky Poker show?

[RED-DOG]

You can't make it right by taking away someone's freedom to choose.

You usually make a great argument Dave, but I really think you should hold your hands up on this one.

Is doubleup called Dave? I'm 99% sure that's who you mean but double checking that's who you mean and not my online screen name (as I agree with you).

Yes. Well at least I hope so, I've been calling him that for years.

And just to be 100% clear, you're that Tony fella from the Sky Poker show?

Yes, and I'm a bit grumpy today. Fancy some cod lions? It's been emotional...

[RickBFA]

No independent country has finances **anything like** as bad as SNP-run Scotland

http://blogs.spectator.co.uk/2016/08/independent-scotland-now-bankrupt/



the wholly unpartisan scottish daily mail took the news well

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The SNP and Jimmy Krankie have had a good run. Let's hope the honeymoon is over.

[TightEnd]

some light reading

Why negative interest rates are mad, bad – and dangerous http://specc.ie/2c9omXO

[horseplayer]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-37186455

more eating away at the nhs by the tories as is the norm, shame a lot of the opposition mps are to distracted by other events to even bring this up

[Cf]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-37186455

more eating away at the nhs by the tories as is the norm, shame a lot of the opposition mps are to distracted by other events to even bring this up

That can't be right. I thought now we have quit the EU we had lots more money to spend on the NHS

[TightEnd]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-37186455

more eating away at the nhs by the tories as is the norm, shame a lot of the opposition mps are to distracted by other events to even bring this up

That can't be right. I thought now we have quit the EU we had lots more money to spend on the NHS

i suspect you might be being sarcastic but i will answer anyway

we don't leave for two years after innvoking article 50, for now nothing has changed with funding

and the £350m+ a week to the NHS is bollocks anyway

[TightEnd]

Westminster voting intention (22-23 Aug)

CON 40%
LAB 29%
LD 8%
UKIP 13%
OTH 10%

you gov

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[TightEnd]

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[DungBeetle]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-37186455

more eating away at the nhs by the tories as is the norm, shame a lot of the opposition mps are to distracted by other events to even bring this up

Grim reading, but if the NHS budget is rising in real terms between now and 2020 then what is going on to make everyone wail so much in this article?

1) Money going to the wrong places?
2) Increased spending not enough to cover aging population?
3) Poor management of finances?
4) Population rising too fast?
5) all of the above?

It seems too simplistic to frame this as Tories making cuts just for the sake of it.

[rfgqqabc]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-37186455

more eating away at the nhs by the tories as is the norm, shame a lot of the opposition mps are to distracted by other events to even bring this up

Grim reading, but if the NHS budget is rising in real terms between now and 2020 then what is going on to make everyone wail so much in this article?

1) Money going to the wrong places?
2) Increased spending not enough to cover aging population?
3) Poor management of finances?
4) Population rising too fast?
5) all of the above?

It seems too simplistic to frame this as Tories making cuts just for the sake of it.

I think all the above are true to some degree, plus it was underfunded to start with. Constantly playing cactchup though and its an absolute black hole anyway.

[vegaslover]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-37186455

more eating away at the nhs by the tories as is the norm, shame a lot of the opposition mps are to distracted by other events to even bring this up

Grim reading, but if the NHS budget is rising in real terms between now and 2020 then what is going on to make everyone wail so much in this article?

1) Money going to the wrong places?
2) Increased spending not enough to cover aging population?
3) Poor management of finances?
4) Population rising too fast?
5) all of the above?

It seems too simplistic to frame this as Tories making cuts just for the sake of it.

Probably because a lot of what the Govt bandies around in terms of budgets rising in real terms is bollocks.
Staffing on the floor i.e. Hospital wards has been constantly cut over the past 6-7 years.
Where I worked this was about a third of staff.

Another big misconception bandied about is the cost of medication rising. Whilst this is true for some specialist drugs (but not much, as in part is already budgeted for), a hell of a lot of pharmaceutical products have come 'off licence', which can reduce the price by upto 90%. That's before you take co-operative buying into account.

A large and often not discussed cost is the burden of short term, expensive financial rescues. These usually involve so-called 'financial specialists' that charge millions and often fail to come up with any sensible solutions.